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Old Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:39pm
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Advice stage, I see.

The only thing I address from players here is "what did I do?" Anything beyond that ends with "You asked what you did. I told you. Time to move on." That assumes it was my call, if not I refer them to That Guy.

Players that try to debate quickly find themselves playing defense or rebounding free throws.

Nothing more really goes well.

I never ask for speaking captains. If it goes to OT, I tell whichever coach looks at me first from each team, four minutes, you get one more timeout.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:01pm
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I definately wouldn't issue a T in the OP scenario...but then again I don't issue many. If they aren't showing me up then I usually give them a break. In this scenario, you are in the paint and they (I am assuming) are speaking at a level where only you and the players around you can hear. Let him know to keep playing and press without getting your panties bunched. Now if you are the trail and he comes and throws his arms up as he says something..T him right there because he just showed you up in the middle of the floor. IMO many of us are to sensitive...this isn't about us out there. Let them have their frustration as long as they aren't demonstrative and play on.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:21pm
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I have to add a couple of things. First, this idea that they get a pass if they aren't showing you up is misleading. It isn't the only way to get a T. If johnny says something stupid and I'm the only one who hears it, too bad, he gets a T.

Second, players and coaches may be emotional, they have a vested interest in the outcome. However, they still have to control those emotions. Displaying emotion is never an excuse for poor sportsmanship.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:30pm
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As always to each his own...if I am under the basket and a kid says something to me at a level only the immediate area can hear he usually gets a pass with me. But at the same time he curses, or tells me I suck...something personal..he gets whacked. The last 2 people I whacked were for arm motion only without words...one coach and one player at the top of the key. But after 20+ years of officiating multiple sports my skin is fairly thick...

I do the same in baseball...kid looks down towards the plate and says "you missed that one blue" gets a pass...same kid looks back in my direction without saying a word but shows everyone in the park his disapproval...better be swinging the next pitch I don't care where it is.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:36pm
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I don't think we're too far apart. Some things get addressed more quickly if they're loud, but it's usually more about tone than anything else. Other times, a quiet comment gets ignored while the same words get shouted and earn a T.

My only point was that saying it quietly without gestures isn't an automatic pass just because no one knows it was said. Coach or player quietly says "Your partner is a ....", that's a T regardless of volume or gestures.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:39pm
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And I've had plenty of vet partners who bragged about thick skin but just wouldn't take care of business. It doesn't mean much, frankly.
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Old Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:17am
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I do the same in baseball...kid looks down towards the plate and says "you missed that one blue" gets a pass...same kid looks back in my direction without saying a word but shows everyone in the park his disapproval...better be swinging the next pitch I don't care where it is.
I know we have some other baseball guys on this board. Do you do the same thing? I am looking at this as either hyperbole or kind of a foul (pun intended) practice. If a ball is extremely outside, would you still call it a strike?

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And I've had plenty of vet partners who bragged about thick skin but just wouldn't take care of business. It doesn't mean much, frankly.
Exactly!
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