T or no T?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

My parter from the lead calls a foul on H1 (speaking captain) resulting in 2 freethrows for V1 as it was during a shot attempt. While my partner is reporting the foul I move to the new lead to administer the freethrows. H2 hands me the ball and says we are playing good defense, they are just throwing it up there. I tell him my parter had a good look at it and must have seen contact. He gives me the look like I'm an idiot and says "but we ain't fouling". I tell him "that is enough." We shoot the first shot. As I am handed the ball H2 looks at H1 and with a certain tone says "good defence" It was obvious to me what he was saying. I am standing in the lane and H1 with some good sence looks at me and says "he was talking to me". I then instruct all players that any further comment on any call would result in a T.
H1 looks at me and says "yes, sir".

Should I have given a T to H2 for his good defence comment as it was another attack on my partner's call. Not that it matters on the t or no t but for some background it was only the 3rd fould called on their team and we were about one minute into the 4th quarter.
3rd fould on their team and we were about 1 minute into the fourth quarter

Just a side note: I don't get speaking captains. I will talk to anyone on the court as long as they're playing nice. Speaking captains are an old thing that has stayed around longer than it should have if you ask me.

After the "good defense" comment I would look at them and tell them they need to play and we will officiate. I would also tell my partner that I told them to cut it out so he knows too. After that penalize if you need to.

[Adam]

I might. I certainly wouldn't question another official who did.

[tomegun]

I guess I would have to be there. It seems like another conversation with a brat player to me.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I guess I would have to be there. It seems like another conversation with a brat player to me.

That is exactally what it was but by not giving him a T it seems like I actually am condoning his behavior and it will continue in the future. Thinking back I believe I should have called the T.

[bob jenkins]

Not even close to a T, imo.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

That is exactally what it was but by not giving him a T it seems like I actually am condoning his behavior and it will continue in the future. Thinking back I believe I should have called the T.

Don't have conversations when a player makes comments like "we are playing good defense, they are just throwing it up there." Simply say "I don't want to hear any more comments"

[packersowner]

Silence is golden sometimes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Silence is golden sometimes.

I think we have a right and responsibility to address players. Just the way you do it is different. Players are not on equal footing with coaches IMO and their behavior should be addressed directly. It would just be a one way conversation that is all.

Peace

[maven]

Color me "not even close to a T."

When he whinges that they're playing good defense, I'll tell him, "Good, keep working hard." If he wants to argue or comment about the call, then I'll end the conversation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I guess I would have to be there. It seems like another conversation with a brat player to me.

My sentiments exactly.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not even close to a T, imo.

I agree...not even close to a T

Originally Posted by bainsey

It comes in handy in one particular area. Should the game go into overtime, you'll need a quick captains meeting to tell them there will be a four-minute OT period, a jump ball, and an extra 60-second timeout for each team after the OT has started.

Aside from that, I don't ask for speaking captains, unless I have a partner that insists upon them. The rules say that all five players can talk to us. That's good enough for me.

The only thing in that list I'd think about telling anyone is the extra 60...and I'm telling the coaches that. Everyone will get the fact that there will be 4 minutes and a jump ball when...you tell the timer to put 4 on the clock and tell everyone to line up for the jump ball (which most players already know I'd guess).

[VaTerp]

My $0.02-

I would not want to explain a T in the situation above to my assignor. And therefore would not call it.

I would either ignore the first comment about playing good defense or respond by saying something to the effect of, "you play, we'll officiate." You have to find words that work for you but I simply say, "Play ball" in a way that seems to be understood by 99% of the players in my games.

If the comments continue then I either choose to issue the T or usually repeat "play ball" more sternly if needed. For me this takes care of things almost every time. And if it's something I suspect will continue but was not necessarily T worthy then I may talk to the coach and let him know that #23 needs to play ball and cut out the comments. After that it's T time.

IMO I would stay away from statements like, "any further comment on any call would result in a T." No need to threaten a T. Either issue it or don't. When you told them, "that's enough" they know what you mean.

[twocentsworth]

inho, definitely not T-worthy. Don't get caught up in the the drama that emotional/immature players/coaches create during the game. Using our experience and maturity, we can simply recognize that comment for what it is....and move on.

[ref3808]

If he just says "we're playing good D and they are just throwing up there" I'll thank him for the handing me the ball and ask everyone to line up for the free throws. No reason to reply with something that invites further comment about contact.

Ideally my partner has already reported and is in his position and we're administering free throws and moving the game along quickly. The sooner we move on the better.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Just a side note: I don't get speaking captains. I will talk to anyone on the court as long as they're playing nice. Speaking captains are an old thing that has stayed around longer than it should have if you ask me.

It comes in handy in one particular area. Should the game go into overtime, you'll need a quick captains meeting to tell them there will be a four-minute OT period, a jump ball, and an extra 60-second timeout for each team after the OT has started.

Aside from that, I don't ask for speaking captains, unless I have a partner that insists upon them. The rules say that all five players can talk to us. That's good enough for me.