Late Team

[grunewar]

Freshman Team showed up very late for their game Friday due to traffic. Put everything behind. Game Mgt didn't decide to make up time until they implemented the running clock in the second half of the JV game. Put us pretty much back on schedule.

Apparently the home team was upset because allegedly if our game lasted longer than 9:30, they had to pay the staff OT. Hadn't heard that one before.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Freshman Team showed up very late for their game Friday due to traffic. Game Mgt didn't decide to make up time until they implemented the running clock in the second half of the JV game.

This may not be a very practical post, so just consider it for "test taking" purposes:

Illegal under NFHS rules, unless allowed under state association guidelines. Without such guidelines, no running clock, just shorten the periods, or in the case of a nonvarsity game, shorten the number of periods. For a nonvarsity game, just the coaches can decide this, don't even need the referee's permission.

A quarter(s) may be shortened in an emergency or at any time by
mutual agreement of the opposing coaches and referee. Playing time and number
of quarters for nonvarsity game quarters may be reduced by mutual agreement
of opposing coaches.
NOTE: A state association by adoption may institute a running clock when a specified
point differential is reached at a specified time in the game.

[JRutledge]

This is not our jurisdiction. We just wait until they arrive and maybe consult the assignor as to how long we might wait, otherwise this is an administrative issue, not an officiating issue. And we would wait reasonably for the game to get started.

Peace

[trojans2545]

Late teams are not our problem either. We wait them out and leave it to the schools to sort out.

I did have one last year where neither team showed up. There was snow coming in late that night that pounded Illinois all day so they went ahead and cancelled the game, they just forgot to tell me and my partner. Got a check two weeks later.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Apparently the home team was upset because allegedly if our game lasted longer than 9:30, they had to pay the staff OT. Hadn't heard that one before.

Working past 9:30 might possibly define working into the weekend and entitle the staff to weekend/overtime pay.

The grade school I attended rents a gym for their CYO sports because their own is too small. When they use the public school gym, they have to be out by a certain time during basketball season (6:30 pm, I think), otherwise they have to pay extra for the custodian on duty to stay past then for take-down/cleanup.

[KyKatsFan]

In GA (Varsity and below), if the traveling school has not arrived or communicated to the host school by 30 minutes past the tip time, the game is a forfeit. If the visiting time arrives before the 30 minute past tip timeline, put 15 minutes on the clock when they enter the building.

[just another ref]

Worked a tourney last week that was late starting 3 days in a row because of late teams. One partner was grumbling and threatening to start the game with a technical foul. I said that this was not the thing to do and did my best to downplay the idea. But afterward I thought more about the specifics of the situation. I still don't believe that this is the intent and purpose of this rule, but had he chosen to use it, I find it hard to dispute.

10-1-1: A team shall not fail to supply the scorer.................at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

10-1-1: A team shall not fail to supply the scorer.................at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

I'm 100% sure that this rule takes into account that the team has already arrived at the site, just as you wouldn't use the resuming play procedure to begin the second half if one team was still in the locker room.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I'm 100% sure that this rule takes into account that the team has already arrived at the site, just as you wouldn't use the resuming play procedure to begin the second half if one team was still in the locker room.

My opinion as well. No T's based on traffic conditions.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Worked a tourney last week that was late starting 3 days in a row because of late teams. One partner was grumbling and threatening to start the game with a technical foul. I said that this was not the thing to do and did my best to downplay the idea. But afterward I thought more about the specifics of the situation. I still don't believe that this is the intent and purpose of this rule, but had he chosen to use it, I find it hard to dispute.

10-1-1: A team shall not fail to supply the scorer.................at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

Visiting team isn't there....well then the scheduled starting time has been pushed back indefinitely.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

Visiting team isn't there....well then the scheduled starting time has been pushed back indefinitely.

That's what I told him at the time.