Hand Mechanics for reporting fouls

[maroonx]

Announce color first. Then number. When saying number what hand do you use? One hand to announce 2 digit number like 42 or one hand for the 4 and other hand for 2.

[APG]

If you're strictly using NF mechanics, then numbers are reported using one hand.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by maroonx

One hand to announce 2 digit number like 42 or one hand for the 4 and other hand for 2.

Now, more importantly, does the reporting official verbalize, "Four. Two.", or, "Forty-two"? I'm positive that we'll only get one definitive Forum answer to this question. That's the way things usually work around these parts. Right?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Announce color first. Then number. When saying number what hand do you use? One hand to announce 2 digit number like 42 or one hand for the 4 and other hand for 2.

Fed mechanics (unlike other states) here: one-hand number reporting. Our crew mentions to the table that the hand with which we give the number is the same side as the bench of the team that committed the foul. Some appreciate that, though it's not required by Fed or state. Handy for extra noisy gyms, of which we have more than a few around here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now, more importantly, does the reporting official verbalize, "Four. Two.", or, "Forty-two"? I'm positive that we'll only get one definitive Forum answer to this question. That's the way things usually work around these parts. Right?

Honestly who cares? If you use a strong voice it really does not matter.

Peace

[grunewar]

The 2011-12 NFHS Basketball Guide should have put an end to this "myth."

"Use one hand to signal the number of the player that fouled."

"When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts. For example, a foul on number 24 should be said, "Blue twenty-four," not Blue two-four."

End of story, no?

[Welpe]

When in Rome, don't do as the Egyptians or something like that.

We do as the NFHS manual suggests.

[constable]

Always been taught by every supervisor to say the full number.. twenty-three as opposed two-three.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by constable

Always been taught by every supervisor to say the full number.. twenty-three as opposed two-three.

The NFHS 2011-2013 Basketball officials manual states:

0.2.1 Mechanics Points of Emphesis
"When verbalizing a two digit number, say the full number not the two parts."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

The 2011-12 NFHS Basketball Guide: "When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts. For example, a foul on number 24 should be said, "Blue twenty-four," not Blue two-four."

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

The NFHS 2011-2013 Basketball officials manual states: 0.2.1 Mechanics Points of Emphasis "When verbalizing a two digit number, say the full number not the two parts."

Excellent citations.

Connecticut, as an IAABO state, has been using IAABO mechanics for several years now. Back when we were using NFHS mechanics, I don't recall specific direction to "say the full number not the two parts", or even the opposite of that. As a result, all of us were taught, and new officials are still taught, to verbalize the two parts of the number.

When did the NFHS come up with such clear, specific hand signal directions? With such clear directions, why has this topic been debated over and over again on the Forum? The current 2012-13 IAABO mechanics guide is not as specific as the NFHS on this procedure.

[RookieDude]

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

My mentor, a long since retired HS official, who just does an occasional Rec Game with me now, still does this sometimes.

Other than him, I've never seen it done.......

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

It's frowned upon, but sometimes it's hard to hear / understand so when I'm at the table (as I have been before) it can help.

I think it should be added to the mechanics.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's frowned upon, but sometimes it's hard to hear / understand so when I'm at the table (as I have been before) it can help.

I think it should be added to the mechanics.

I agree with you bob...

It is old school...when I first started officiating all the Varsity guys would use this mechanic. Therefore, I used it. But, the mechanic became frowned on in venues where we are rated...as it was not an "approved" mechanic...so I quit using it years ago.

Some very good officials around here still use it...and some of the new guys are watching them and starting to use the mechanic.

I just got a email from a association member today asking me to address this issue at our next meeting. He does not want to make a "big deal" about it...but, wants some quidance.

In a loud gym it can be a good mechanic...I agree...but, not "approved".

What say you? ...in regards to guiding your membership.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

We call it "the accusatory point" here. Was formerly done by everyone. But it was a big enough deal to the state that they asked us not to do the point-to-the-bench-that-did-the-foul thing anymore. Just say, "Blue foul...", then give the number.
Without the pointy-thingy to do anymore some, like our crew, are going to the reporting-the-fouler's-number-with-the-hand-that's-on-the-side-of-the-bench-of-that-team thing for clarity's sake.