Hand Mechanics for reporting fouls

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by constable

Always been taught by every supervisor to say the full number.. twenty-three as opposed two-three.

The NFHS 2011-2013 Basketball officials manual states:

0.2.1 Mechanics Points of Emphesis
"When verbalizing a two digit number, say the full number not the two parts."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

The 2011-12 NFHS Basketball Guide: "When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts. For example, a foul on number 24 should be said, "Blue twenty-four," not Blue two-four."

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

The NFHS 2011-2013 Basketball officials manual states: 0.2.1 Mechanics Points of Emphasis "When verbalizing a two digit number, say the full number not the two parts."

Excellent citations.

Connecticut, as an IAABO state, has been using IAABO mechanics for several years now. Back when we were using NFHS mechanics, I don't recall specific direction to "say the full number not the two parts", or even the opposite of that. As a result, all of us were taught, and new officials are still taught, to verbalize the two parts of the number.

When did the NFHS come up with such clear, specific hand signal directions? With such clear directions, why has this topic been debated over and over again on the Forum? The current 2012-13 IAABO mechanics guide is not as specific as the NFHS on this procedure.

[RookieDude]

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

My mentor, a long since retired HS official, who just does an occasional Rec Game with me now, still does this sometimes.

Other than him, I've never seen it done.......

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

It's frowned upon, but sometimes it's hard to hear / understand so when I'm at the table (as I have been before) it can help.

I think it should be added to the mechanics.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's frowned upon, but sometimes it's hard to hear / understand so when I'm at the table (as I have been before) it can help.

I think it should be added to the mechanics.

I agree with you bob...

It is old school...when I first started officiating all the Varsity guys would use this mechanic. Therefore, I used it. But, the mechanic became frowned on in venues where we are rated...as it was not an "approved" mechanic...so I quit using it years ago.

Some very good officials around here still use it...and some of the new guys are watching them and starting to use the mechanic.

I just got a email from a association member today asking me to address this issue at our next meeting. He does not want to make a "big deal" about it...but, wants some quidance.

In a loud gym it can be a good mechanic...I agree...but, not "approved".

What say you? ...in regards to guiding your membership.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How many officials do you see point to the bench, of the team that has fouled, prior to giving the number of the player that fouled?

Is that a big deal in your area?

We call it "the accusatory point" here. Was formerly done by everyone. But it was a big enough deal to the state that they asked us not to do the point-to-the-bench-that-did-the-foul thing anymore. Just say, "Blue foul...", then give the number.
Without the pointy-thingy to do anymore some, like our crew, are going to the reporting-the-fouler's-number-with-the-hand-that's-on-the-side-of-the-bench-of-that-team thing for clarity's sake.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

We call it "the accusatory point" here. Was formerly done by everyone. But it was a big enough deal to the state that they asked us not to do the point-to-the-bench-that-did-the-foul thing anymore. Just say, "Blue foul...", then give the number.
Without the pointy-thingy to do anymore some, like our crew, are going to the reporting-the-fouler's-number-with-the-hand-that's-on-the-side-of-the-bench-of-that-team thing for clarity's sake.

Why say "foul"? Just say, "Blue, 33."

(I saw a lot of IL officials say "blue shirt" when working games down there. I found that equally weird.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why say "foul"? Just say, "Blue, 33."

(I saw a lot of IL officials say "blue shirt" when working games down there. I found that equally weird.)

They actually brought told us not to say "foulzon" in a meeting this year. I don't think I've ever said that. Til my first game after that meeting. Stupid power of suggestion.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why say "foul"? Just say, "Blue, 33.")

If this had a Like button I would click on it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why say "foul"? Just say, "Blue, 33."

(I saw a lot of IL officials say "blue shirt" when working games down there. I found that equally weird.)

I do not get the use of the "shirt" part. Not everyone does it and so few people do it from what I can tell it always raises my eye brows.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not get the use of the "shirt" part. Not everyone does it and so few people do it from what I can tell it always raises my eye brows.

Peace

Fairly or not, it always struck me as an attempt to be obvious about not talking about skin color, as I've only seen it used with black and white jerseys.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

An attempt to be obvious about not talking about skin color, as I've only seen it used with black and white jerseys.

Political correctness to the extreme.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Adam

Fairly or not, it always struck me as an attempt to be obvious about not talking about skin color, as I've only seen it used with black and white jerseys.

Hard for me to comprehend the inordinate measure of self-afflicted, over-the-top sensitivity inherent in the person's psyche, but I actually had a partner who made this an issue right before the jump ball to start the game several years back. He spent the whole game calling "visitors' ball"..."foul, visitors"..."visitors' timeout," while calling the other team naturally by the color of the home jerseys.
Appeared so ridiculous that the obvious, unnatural avoidance of his verbalization of the color of the jersey of that team attracted more attention than it really needed to.
I just called it by jersey color. Didn't really matter to anyone in the whole gym but my partner that day, I guess.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Fairly or not, it always struck me as an attempt to be obvious about not talking about skin color, as I've only seen it used with black and white jerseys.

I have never heard that explanation to why guys say "shirt." Actually the people that do this are old timers mostly and I guess that is the way they used to say things and it never changed. Not sure it is that well thought out.

Peace