Sideline position?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

4-37-3

Every player is entitled to a spot ion the playing court, provided the player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.

They key phrase is playing court. One foot out of bounds means they have no position on the court.

Like I said, unless you're willing to call the violation for leaving the court, I don't think you can say B1 has left the playing court. IOW, you either have a defensive violation (thus an immediate dead ball), or a pc.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

Like I said, unless you're willing to call the violation for leaving the court, I don't think you can say B1 has left the playing court. IOW, you either have a defensive violation (thus an immediate dead ball), or a pc.

How can you call a player control on a player when the defensive player is not legally on the court?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

How can you call a player control on a player when the defensive player is not legally on the court?

That's my point. If he's left the court, it's a violation, no foul either way. If he hasn't left the court, and he's not moving, it'd either pc or nothing.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by Adam

That's my point. If he's left the court, it's a violation, no foul either way. If he hasn't left the court, and he's not moving, it'd either pc or nothing.

When did you notice he (B1) left the court, before or after the contact?

There's contact, you're going to call the block.

You call leaving the court when someone gains an advantage, as in receiving a pass for a shot or a drive to the basket.

JMO.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Adam

Like I said, unless you're willing to call the violation for leaving the court, I don't think you can say B1 has left the playing court. IOW, you either have a defensive violation (thus an immediate dead ball), or a pc.

I think it's important to remember that there are situations when players may legally leave the floor without violating. One example would be a player sprinting towards the end line to retrieve a ball headed out of bounds - throwing it back in bounds, then letting his momentum carry him OOB. He's fine if he immediately reenters. No violation.

Perhaps the player in the OP situation is OOB for a non violating reason.

If so, and there's contact, it's "on him" and not the offensive player regardless of his right to a spot on the court.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I think it's important to remember that there are situations when players may legally leave the floor without violating. One example would be a player sprinting towards the end line to retrieve a ball headed out of bounds - throwing it back in bounds, then letting his momentum carry him OOB. He's fine if he immediately reenters. No violation.

Perhaps the player in the OP situation is OOB for a non violating reason.

If so, and there's contact, it's "on him" and not the offensive player regardless of his right to a spot on the court.

Sigh...if he is oob and attempts to draw a charge, then it's "on him". If he is just standing there looking at the ball he just attempted to save and the offensive player mows him down you can not seriously say you are going to put that "on him".

Too many people are taking one small statement in the rule book and trying to apply it to everything...it doesn't work that way.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I think it's important to remember that there are situations when players may legally leave the floor without violating. One example would be a player sprinting towards the end line to retrieve a ball headed out of bounds - throwing it back in bounds, then letting his momentum carry him OOB. He's fine if he immediately reenters. No violation.

Perhaps the player in the OP situation is OOB for a non violating reason.

If so, and there's contact, it's "on him" and not the offensive player regardless of his right to a spot on the court.

So B1 and A1 are chasing a loose ball, B1 leaps and taps the ball before it can go out of bounds, then comes down straddling the sideline. A1 continues his pursuit, but knocks B1 to the floor.

You call this a blocking foul on B1?