Game ends with intentional foul

[loners4me]

Team A down by 3 with 5 seconds left. A1 advances ball and is gathering himself to shoot a long 3 pointer. B1 hits him like a mack truck and he hits the floor. He did get the shot off and an intentional foul is called. Horn sounds, basket is no good. We clear the lanes and give the shooter 3 shots. He missed the first...game over. I learned coach told them to intentionally foul (which is a seperate sportsmanship topic). Was this handled correctly?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Team A down by 3 with 5 seconds left. A1 advances ball and is gathering himself to shoot a long 3 pointer. B1 hits him like a mack truck and he hits the floor. He did get the shot off and an intentional foul is called. Horn sounds, basket is no good. We clear the lanes and give the shooter 3 shots. He missed the first...game over. I learned coach told them to intentionally foul (which is a seperate sportsmanship topic). Was this handled correctly?

For the FTs, yes.

[dsqrddgd909]

Near-newbie says yes.

"4.19.3 SITUATION A:

B1 is charged with an intentional foul on A1 who is in the act of shooting: (a) a successful two-point or three-point try; (b) an unsuccessful two-point try; or (c) an unsuccessful three-point try.

RULING: In (a) and (b), A1 is awarded two free throws. In (c), A1 is awarded three free throws. In all situations following the free throws, Team A is awarded a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul."

[Moosie74]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Team A down by 3 with 5 seconds left. A1 advances ball and is gathering himself to shoot a long 3 pointer. B1 hits him like a mack truck and he hits the floor. He did get the shot off and an intentional foul is called. Horn sounds, basket is no good. We clear the lanes and give the shooter 3 shots. He missed the first...game over. I learned coach told them to intentionally foul (which is a seperate sportsmanship topic). Was this handled correctly?

From the description a flagrant intentional foul with ejection is warranted which covers the sportsmanship issue even if you find out about it after the fact.

Is the foul called at the same time the horn goes off or is there still time on the clock? If there is time on the clock, let them shoot all 3 foul shots and inbound the ball.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Moosie74

From the description a flagrant intentional foul with ejection is warranted which covers the sportsmanship issue even if you find out about it after the fact.

Is the foul called at the same time the horn goes off or is there still time on the clock? If there is time on the clock, let them shoot all 3 foul shots and inbound the ball.

There is no such animal as a flagrant intentional foul. Fouls are only intentional or flagrant.

[APG]

And if a coach directs his players to give a take foul, I have no issues with it provided they do so correctly (play on the ball, no excessive contact, isn't away from the ball, etc.) just like I wouldn't for a team fouling at the end to try and come back.

[Adam]

I'd be very aware of the clock here, and do everything I could to see time on the clock so that kid gets every one of his FTs and the team has a chance to at least try for a tap/try.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Team A down by 3 with 5 seconds left. A1 advances ball and is gathering himself to shoot a long 3 pointer. B1 hits him like a mack truck and he hits the floor. He did get the shot off and an intentional foul is called. Horn sounds, basket is no good. We clear the lanes and give the shooter 3 shots. He missed the first...game over. I learned coach told them to intentionally foul (which is a seperate sportsmanship topic). Was this handled correctly?

Yup; handled properly.

If a team is going to use this technique to end the game, do your best to see the clock greater than zero after the whistle sounds. This gives them the throw-in, even if it's far away. They could still make a game of it even if they miss a FT.

[bob jenkins]

I should have added to my previous response that here I would be writing a "special report" to the state with the information I found out after the fact. the sate might be imposing additional penalties.

[MD Longhorn]

Logically, it almost HAS to have some time left on the clock. If the foul happened before the horn, you have to put time back on the clock (and as others have said, this is the right thing to do in interest of sportsmanship as well). If the horn happened before the foul, then it almost definitely happened before the shot as well, so you really have no shot or foul.

It's possible, but unlikely, that the foul occurred in that sliver of time that would have the clock actually running out.

[Adam]

It's easy to picture, though, it happening close enough that the clock runs out and we don't see the clock in time because we're trying to prevent a fight.

[OKREF]

Unless your an airborne shooter, release the ball, while the ball is mid flight the horn goes off, the foul happens before the shooter returns to the floor.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It's possible, but unlikely, that the foul occurred in that sliver of time that would have the clock actually running out.

It does happen though. I had one a couple of years ago at the end of the 4th quarter of a tie ball game where a player went up for a layup, got hammered and the horn sounded immediately after he got fouled. There was no perceptible amount of time that we could put on with definitive knowledge.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Unless your an airborne shooter, release the ball, while the ball is mid flight the horn goes off, the foul happens before the shooter returns to the floor.

Are you trying to say that doesn't define a "sliver of time"? I didn't say impossible. Just very unlikely, especially when we're talking about an intentional foul - those very often occur before release of the ball or simultaneously.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Are you trying to say that doesn't define a "sliver of time"? I didn't say impossible. Just very unlikely, especially when we're talking about an intentional foul - those very often occur before release of the ball or simultaneously.

Agreed, most do happen prior to a shot.