Game ends with intentional foul

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See 5.6.2G (last year's book) for an example of the play we are discussing where time is NOT put back on the clock.

This year's book also.

5.6.2 SITUATION G:

The score is tied when A1 is fouled in the act of shooting and the try is unsuccessful. Playing time for the fourth quarter expires while the ball is in flight. No players are allowed along the lane. A1's first free-throw attempt is *successful. Immediately following the made free throw the occupants of the Team A bench rush onto the court and a mini celebration takes place.

RULING: The *second free throw is not required. No penalty unless the celebration or any act is unsporting and a foul is charged to Team A before the final score has been approved. (5-6-2 Exception 3)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by refiator

If the foul wasn't prior to the horn, you wouldn't have a shooting foul, therefore there must be time left on the clock. This has been a POE in Georgia the past couple of years. In the case of a foul called on a last second shot, we do put time back on the clock (most use .3), and never shoot the free throws with the lane cleared.

1) I think you can have a shooting foul after the horn sounds.

2) GA can do what it wants, of course, but recognize that it's not the rule and not what is used in most of the rest of the country.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) I think you can have a shooting foul after the horn sounds.

2) GA can do what it wants, of course, but recognize that it's not the rule and not what is used in most of the rest of the country.

Agree.

You may not be able to have a foul on the player in the act of shooting after the horn because the ball would be dead at the horn and there would be no shot since the ball was not released before the horn. Howeer, you can have a foul on the airborne shooter after the horn (ball was released prior to the horn).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree.

You may not be able to have a foul on the player in the act of shooting after the horn because the ball would be dead at the horn and there would be no shot since the ball was not released before the horn. Howeer, you can have a foul on the airborne shooter after the horn (ball was released prior to the horn).

You could also have a flagrant or intentional foul if the shooter lands and then gets run over while the shot is still in the air.

Technically, you could also have a common foul (and even a bonus ft situation).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Logically, it almost HAS to have some time left on the clock. If the foul happened before the horn, you have to put time back on the clock (and as others have said, this is the right thing to do in interest of sportsmanship as well). If the horn happened before the foul, then it almost definitely happened before the shot as well, so you really have no shot or foul.

It's possible, but unlikely, that the foul occurred in that sliver of time that would have the clock actually running out.

Don't confuse NFHS and NCAA rules!
If this is an NCAA game with a monitor, the official will restore the time from when the contact occurred. However, under NFHS rules the official can only restore what was seen once the whistle blows and the timer should by rule have stopped the clock.
So if the calling official is slow on the whistle, there is a high probability that the period will end with the FTs.

[Fed2You]

Anyone seen the whistles now-a-days with the microchip in them that stops the clock immediately on the sound of the whistle? Honig's has them, but they require more hardware (and software?) by the venue hosting the contest. VERY interesting. I would bet it'll be standard equipment in a few years. Can't believe the NBA or NCAA hasn't progressed to this technology.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Fed2You

Anyone seen the whistles now-a-days with the microchip in them that stops the clock immediately on the sound of the whistle? Honig's has them, but they require more hardware (and software?) by the venue hosting the contest. VERY interesting. I would bet it'll be standard equipment in a few years. Can't believe the NBA or NCAA hasn't progressed to this technology.

Not sure about the NBA but the NCAA has...

[Fed2You]

It would eliminate a lot of the above "what if's". There'd be little to no question about "time left on the clock" or "by the time you SAW the foul and then looked up, how much time was there?" Knaw mean? lol

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Fed2You

Anyone seen the whistles now-a-days with the microchip in them that stops the clock immediately on the sound of the whistle? Honig's has them, but they require more hardware (and software?) by the venue hosting the contest. VERY interesting. I would bet it'll be standard equipment in a few years. Can't believe the NBA or NCAA hasn't progressed to this technology.

No, but that's pretty cool. Would love to see the technology make it to the HS level, but, at least in these parts, I'm not sure we'll ever even see a shot clock mandated due to the cost. It would take a lot of guesswork out of the equation.

[Adam]

It's called PTS, used widely in college. Don't expect it soon in high school.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Fed2You

Anyone seen the whistles now-a-days with the microchip in them that stops the clock immediately on the sound of the whistle? Honig's has them, but they require more hardware (and software?) by the venue hosting the contest. VERY interesting. I would bet it'll be standard equipment in a few years. Can't believe the NBA or NCAA hasn't progressed to this technology.

The NBA uses PTS for every game. Most of the major conferences use it as well but it isn't used for the NCAA tournament. By the way the technology is call precision time system.