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[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I just don't see it happening here, and the stall ball games are few and far between, anyway, although the pro-shot-clock crowd act like stall-ball should NEVER happen.

Count me as one...in my perfect world, there wouldn't be any stall ball. That's no fun for anyone involved.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

In my perfect world, there wouldn't be any stall ball. That's no fun for anyone involved.

Certainly not as much fun, for the players, coaches, fans, and officials, as an up tempo, fast breaking, slam dunking, game.

However, in order for an undermanned team to have a chance to beat a much more talented team, maybe a taller team, maybe a faster team, maybe a team of more highly skilled players, a stall ball game can level the playing field. And there is some skill involved in a successful stall ball offense. A coach has to devise a game plan that goes against the grain of what teenagers, especialy teenage boys, like to do on the basketball court, that is, run up, and down, the court trying to score at every opportunity. Certainly not an easy task for a coach. It takes a skilled, and patient, coach, and a group of intelligent, and highly disciplined, players, something that can be appreciated by true basketball fans, however it may only be half the fans in the gymnasium that particular night.

[bob jenkins]

Since you can't recruit (well, in most states, at most high schols), then you have to play with waht you have. And if a deliberate game gives you the best chance to win, then play a deliberate game.

What I would like to see -- if one team is holding the ball, and the other team is letting them, then the coaches seem to be agreeing to shoreten the lenght of the quarter. Get them together, agree on a time to be put on the clock (say, 1:00), and resume play.

[OKREF]

Here in Oklahoma, we have no shot clock, so we don't have to worry about things like this.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What I would like to see -- if one team is holding the ball, and the other team is letting them, then the coaches seem to be agreeing to shoreten the lenght of the quarter. Get them together, agree on a time to be put on the clock (say, 1:00), and resume play.

Hmmmmm...I don't know Bob...smells a little like TRAVESTY.

i.e. people paying good money to come and watch "1:00 quarter(s)" of a player holding the ball. Maybe if the fans had to watch a full quarter, or more, of a player just holding the ball...pressure would be put on the school to actually PLAY basketball.

[Pantherdreams]

As an official I could care less shot clock or no. THough I would rather have 1 set of rules to follow, have people learn etc.

That being said there maybe some merit that in terms of improving players development (and with officials as stakeholders) and improving the game the shot clock does that.

Food for thought:

How The Shot Clock Improves Player Development - theLLaBB

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Hmmmmm...I don't know Bob...smells a little like TRAVESTY.

It's something that's specifically in the rules, and, yes, I have used it (not in a "stall" situation). Not a travesty at all.

[Indianaref]

An interesting play occurred in the Drake/Xavier game on Sunday. Shot clock running down to a couple seconds left, Xavier misses rim, shot clock mistakenly reset, rebound by Xavier and shot made. Drake goes down the other end on offense and gets fouled. Tv timeout. After the TV timeout officials are gathered around the monitor, they use stop watch and determine shot was not in time. Also, they wiped off the foul, put time back on clock and resumed play with a throw in for Drake nearest the violation for the shot clock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

An interesting play occurred in the Drake/Xavier game on Sunday. Shot clock running down to a couple seconds left, Xavier misses rim, shot clock mistakenly reset, rebound by Xavier and shot made. Drake goes down the other end on offense and gets fouled. Tv timeout. After the TV timeout officials are gathered around the monitor, they use stop watch and determine shot was not in time. Also, they wiped off the foul, put time back on clock and resumed play with a throw in for Drake nearest the violation for the shot clock.

Even more interesting is that it was posted at 6:42 central time last evening here:

Correctable Error: Xavier/Drake Game

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Even more interesting is that it was posted at 6:42 central time last evening here:

Correctable Error: Xavier/Drake Game

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[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...SAY WHAT? REALLY?

Are you trying to tell this forum that "MOST HIGH SCHOOL" officials have a problem calling travels right? MOST OFFICIALS?

C'MON Man...

I think Rut is spot on with his comment. Travels are probably the most missed call in a high school game. Yes, more than block/charge.

BTW, the table crew is part of our association in Nevada (Las Vegas anyway) and I wouldn't want to even talk about adding someone else to run the shot clock. Would they be trained properly? Yes, because we have some officials and scorekeepers who work college games on the table.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I think Rut is spot on with his comment. Travels are probably the most missed call in a high school game. Yes, more than block/charge.

Both directions. I see a lot of officials call travels that really didn't happen.

If it looks ugly, it's a travel. Unfortunately, coaches seem to have the same expectation.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich

Both directions. I see a lot of officials call travels that really didn't happen.

If it looks ugly, it's a travel. Unfortunately, coaches seem to have the same expectation.

Yeah Rich, I was going to type all of that. We call some things travel that don't look right, but are legal. On the other hand, we let things go that look OK, but are not.