Cannot Sub for Guy who Dunks in Pregame?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Why?

See Freddy's reference.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by tjones1

See Freddy's reference.

Ahh. I see it now. Thanks.

[OKREF]

Based on that I would let the coach sub the kid out that dunked.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Based on that I would let the coach sub the kid out that dunked.

But he's not the one allowed to be subbed in in this 3-2-2a exception.

I'm still leaning toward not allowing this miscreant out until after the ball has become live to start the game by being put at the disposal of the thrower shooting first of two technical foul free throws (accd. to 6-2-1 and, by extension, 6-1-2). Unless the coach wants to invest a team technical for changing a designated starter.....

Still studying it.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

6-2-1. The game and each extra period begins when the ball becomes live as specified in 6-1-2 for a jump ball, throw-in or free throw. He would be able to sub after the first free throw.

Originally Posted by Freddy

But he's not the one allowed to be subbed in in this 3-2-2a exception.

I'm still leaning toward not allowing this miscreant out until after the ball has become live to start the game by being put at the disposal of the thrower shooting first of two technical foul free throws (accd. to 6-2-1 and, by extension, 6-1-2). Unless the coach wants to invest a team technical for changing a designated starter.....

Still studying it.

That was my first thought. Dunker would have to wait until the first free throw. If the opposing coach brings a guy in off the bench to shoot the free throws, I would probably let the dunker get subbed as well.

[Smitty]

Maybe this will be unpopular, but I think sometimes people get too caught up in the exact wording of the rules to understand the spirit of the rules. If the coach wants to sit down a starter, who is likely a better player than the kid who will be subbed in, because this kid was an a$$hat and hung on the rim pregame, to teach the kid a lesson, I'm allowing it. Then. Not after the first free throw. Not to mention this kid bought his coach a seatbelt for the game. Let him sit right next to the coach. You can get all caught up in the rules if you like. Carry on...

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Smitty

You can get all caught up in the rules if you like. Carry on...

I like.
You make this sound bad.
I am well aware of the measures of discretion available in this and many other situations that arise. But before varying from a rule, is it not good to know what the rule actually is for which a variance is granted? Otherwise we'd all just go with our "feelings." It's always been frustrating to me to observe officials around here make game decisions based on their perceived "spirit of the rules" when they have no clue what the rules involved even are in those situations.

(BTW, the more veteran partner in the original situation last night did, in fact, allow the coach to sub for the rim-grabber. The newer official involved is simply wondering what the rule is regarding the sitch.)

Now, on with my learning so I can have a basis for granting discretion when it's wise!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Maybe this will be unpopular, but I think sometimes people get too caught up in the exact wording of the rules to understand the spirit of the rules. If the coach wants to sit down a starter, who is likely a better player than the kid who will be subbed in, because this kid was an a$$hat and hung on the rim pregame, to teach the kid a lesson, I'm allowing it. Then. Not after the first free throw. Not to mention this kid bought his coach a seatbelt for the game. Let him sit right next to the coach. You can get all caught up in the rules if you like. Carry on...

Funny, I had this exact thing happen in a game and the coach had no problem bringing in a sub after the first free throw.

I don't see why I need to get all caught up in "teaching the kid a lesson".