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[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

We were told to handle it in the same way Bob summarized.

IOW, how can it be a stationary elbow if the player is pivoting at the hips?

...gotcha...but I gotta tell ya, I don't mind the way our State has interpreted this because I don't mind calling a PC foul when a player PIVOTS WITH THE BALL and contacts the defender. I just don't see the need for an INTENTIONAL FOUL here if indeed it was not INTENTIONAL...understanding that NFHS has "CONTACT ABOVE THE SHOULDERS" a POE.

Oh well...

...thanks again, Billy, for the oportunity to hijack.

btw...I used the "not closely gurarded" signal (albeit RARELY and in regular season games) before it was "LEGAL"...a great communication tool.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Six feet from toe to toe is a lot farther apart than refs have been calling/counting.

This was also covered at our conference on Saturday. The presenter -- a board interpreter from central Maine -- used a tape measure to illustrate the very point hoopguy mentions. The interpreter held the tape measure at waist level, pulled out the tape, and instructed "stop me when I reach six feet." Most of us told him to stop at the right time.

As for the not-closely-guarded signal, I could take it or leave it. I don't find it to be the stupidest mechanic (that's another thread), but I don't see what's so ambiguous about not doing it. If the official isn't counting, shouldn't we rightfully assume he's still engaged?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This was also covered at our conference on Saturday. The presenter, a board interpreter from central Maine, used a tape measure to illustrate the very point hoopguy mentions. The interpreter held the tape measure at waist level, pulled out the tape, and instructed "stop me when I reach six feet."?

No need for a tape measure. Six feet is already conveniently marked in few places on the court. Radius of the semicircle around the free throw lines. Radius of the jump ball circle at center court. Two adjacent lane spaces, side by side, along the lane lines.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...gotcha...but I gotta tell ya, I don't mind the way our State has interpreted this because I don't mind calling a PC foul when a player PIVOTS WITH THE BALL and contacts the defender. I just don't see the need for an INTENTIONAL FOUL here if indeed it was not INTENTIONAL...understanding that NFHS has "CONTACT ABOVE THE SHOULDERS" a POE.

Oh well...

...thanks again, Billy, for the oportunity to hijack.

btw...I used the "not closely gurarded" signal (albeit RARELY and in regular season games) before it was "LEGAL"...a great communication tool.

Maybe it's just Colorado and Washington who are sticking to that NFHS PPT slide.