Purdue/Villanova PC upgraded to Flagrant 1 - APG video request

[twocentsworth]

If the official, Bo Boroski, decides to call a foul on the offense - then this clearly needs to be a flagrant 1 foul. There wasn't any illegal contact other than to the defenders head.

This is EXACTLY the type of play that NCAA and NFHS is focusing on. The "elbow contact above the defenders' shoulders" is NOT only on rebounding plays. It can play ANY PLACE on the floor.....

There were no fouls committed by the defense while trapping. Frenzied activity in a confined space does not equal a foul. Call the first foul?,....YES....but make sure it was a foul - don't guess.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

There were no fouls committed by the defense while trapping. .

Seriously??

No hand check/push by the initial defender? No grabs or slaps by the second defender to get there?

You must have some pretty rough games when you are on the court.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seriously??

Yes....seriously. IF you think that a hand check foul is warranted (85ft from the basket on a stationary ball handler who is making no attempt to get thru/out of a trap!), you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

The ONLY official that could see that call is the Center official - the one who has the same view as the TV camera. IF you make that call as the Center, you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

No matter what position you're in, the second defender - #4 - didn't commit a foul in any way, shape, or form. IF you make that call, you won't.....never mind - you know the drill.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Yes....seriously. IF you think that a hand check foul is warranted (85ft from the basket on a stationary ball handler who is making no attempt to get thru/out of a trap!), you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

The ONLY official that could see that call is the Center official - the one who has the same view as the TV camera. IF you make that call as the Center, you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

No matter what position you're in, the second defender - #4 - didn't commit a foul in any way, shape, or form. IF you make that call, you won't.....never mind - you know the drill.

Another poster who feels compelled to tell people this. Sigh.
Do you know what level of play rockyroad has worked?
I don't think that he needs you to tell him what calls are acceptable.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Another poster who feels compelled to tell people this. Sigh.
Do you know what level of play rockyroad has worked?
I don't think that he needs you to tell him what calls are acceptable.

Don't you love it?

Someone goes to a few camps and suddenly they know what should be called at any and every level!

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Don't you love it?

Someone goes to a few camps and suddenly they know what should be called at any and every level!

My college schedule only allows me to attend camps as a clinician.....

I wish you a season of safe travels, good health, and correct calls.....

[Adam]

I didn't see any defensive fouls that I'd call, but that doesn't give me the right to make assumptions of those who did. I'm more inclined, in fact, to take a second look at this given the disagreement here and what I know about those who disagree with me.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

If the official, Bo Boroski, decides to call a foul on the offense - then this clearly needs to be a flagrant 1 foul. There wasn't any illegal contact other than to the defenders head.

This is EXACTLY the type of play that NCAA and NFHS is focusing on. The "elbow contact above the defenders' shoulders" is NOT only on rebounding plays. It can play ANY PLACE on the floor.....

Watch the video... did the ELBOW make contact with the area above the shoulders? No, the triceps did... If I read the rule correctly, F1 fouls are in regards to ELBOWS contacting above the shoulders.

I don't know about you, but I don't consider the triceps part of the elbow...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

Watch the video... did the ELBOW make contact with the area above the shoulders? No, the triceps did... If I read the rule correctly, F1 fouls are in regards to ELBOWS contacting above the shoulders.

I don't know about you, but I don't consider the triceps part of the elbow...

You are reading the rule incorrectly. The rule does not say the contact has to come from the elbow itself:

Rule 10-1-Art. 13

Illegal contact caused by the swinging of the elbow(s) that:

a. Results from total body movement is a common or flagrant 1 personal foul

b. Is excessive per Rule 4-36-7 is a flagrant 2 foul.

c. Occurs above the shoulders of an opponent is a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2 personal foul.

d. Occurs below the shoulders of an opponent is a common, flagrant 1 or flagrant 2 personal foul.