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[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seriously??

Yes....seriously. IF you think that a hand check foul is warranted (85ft from the basket on a stationary ball handler who is making no attempt to get thru/out of a trap!), you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

The ONLY official that could see that call is the Center official - the one who has the same view as the TV camera. IF you make that call as the Center, you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

No matter what position you're in, the second defender - #4 - didn't commit a foul in any way, shape, or form. IF you make that call, you won't.....never mind - you know the drill.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Yes....seriously. IF you think that a hand check foul is warranted (85ft from the basket on a stationary ball handler who is making no attempt to get thru/out of a trap!), you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

The ONLY official that could see that call is the Center official - the one who has the same view as the TV camera. IF you make that call as the Center, you won't be working too many college games (whether D1 or otherwise).

No matter what position you're in, the second defender - #4 - didn't commit a foul in any way, shape, or form. IF you make that call, you won't.....never mind - you know the drill.

Another poster who feels compelled to tell people this. Sigh.
Do you know what level of play rockyroad has worked?
I don't think that he needs you to tell him what calls are acceptable.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Another poster who feels compelled to tell people this. Sigh.
Do you know what level of play rockyroad has worked?
I don't think that he needs you to tell him what calls are acceptable.

Don't you love it?

Someone goes to a few camps and suddenly they know what should be called at any and every level!

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Don't you love it?

Someone goes to a few camps and suddenly they know what should be called at any and every level!

My college schedule only allows me to attend camps as a clinician.....

I wish you a season of safe travels, good health, and correct calls.....

[Adam]

I didn't see any defensive fouls that I'd call, but that doesn't give me the right to make assumptions of those who did. I'm more inclined, in fact, to take a second look at this given the disagreement here and what I know about those who disagree with me.

[IUgrad92]

All I know is that as soon as W21 catches the ball he had multiple (2-4) hands in constant contact with him. How do we expect offensive players to react in this scenario with that being said? Are we not allowing a potential escalation of frustration by the offensive player when these defensive players hands are hitting, pushing, poking at/on the offensive player and is deemed acceptable play? And then we penalize the offensive player.... Something doesn't make sense here.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

All I know is that as soon as W21 catches the ball he had multiple (2-4) hands in constant contact with him. How do we expect offensive players to react in this scenario with that being said? Are we not allowing a potential escalation of frustration by the offensive player when these defensive players hands are hitting, pushing, poking at/on the offensive player and is deemed acceptable play? And then we penalize the offensive player.... Something doesn't make sense here.

I have to say, I think this is a good example of an area that officials as a group do not handle well.

Look at the video again and tell me there isn't illegal contact by the defenders on the guy with the ball. I'm not saying you bail out the offense with a foul for brushing up against them, but #24 in particular, clearly hacks the white player at the beginning of the trap, and then again a few seconds later. Both defenders also clearly leave their cylinder and initiate contact (body or hands) at least once.

We are making it so that one side of a competitive situation CLEARLY has an advantage from the officials. We allow aggressive chest bumping and hands contact from the defender, but do not allow the offensive player to pivot or rotate his body in an attempt to clear space or facilitate a pass. And to make matters worse, we're now "extra" penalizing the offensive player if they initiate contact by declaring it flagrant.

If you're the white coach in this situation, are you not asking the officials why the blue team was allowed to hack and grab at your guy?

(now in actuality, if you're the white coach you're ripping your guys for passing it into a coffin corner, but that's beside the point )

I think there needs to be more consistency on both sides of the ball in these situations - and evaluators need to more closely examine their tendency to penalize a referee that calls illegal defensive contact - that creates an advantage in the backcourt - by calling it a "ticky-tack" or "soft" foul.

I'm not saying you call a cheapie. But before the "elbow" on this play, there is at least one clear defensive foul. You can't allow one side to do whatever the heck they want, and make the other side stay virtually still.