Official Book Change

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Based on my reading of the OP, and the case I cited, I don't think you should "get this one."

(But I agree with the general sentiment.)

Home team book makes a change to a home number? I'm probably getting it. But I wouldn't talk anyone into it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

Home team book makes a change to a home number? I'm probably getting it. But I wouldn't talk anyone into it.

10.1.2 (b) "The infraction occurs when the scorer is advised to add to or change the scorebook. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball has become live, it is too late to penalize."

In the OP, the book was apparently changed before the game. Once you get to halftime, it's too late to penalize it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In the OP, the book was apparently changed before the game. Once you get to halftime, it's too late to penalize it.

Bingo.

[OKREF]

Common sense would say if you didn't check the book prior to the game, you can't give a technical foul. You don't know when the book was changed, the official scorekeeper said it was fixed prior to the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Common sense would say if you didn't check the book prior to the game, you can't give a technical foul.

Common sense is needed to be a good offcial, but not in this (general) case.

If the home (official) scorekeeper tells me that a number in the book was changed, I'm going to ask him when it was changed. If there's a challenge from the offended coach, I might ask to see the rosters that the numbers were copied from, but I don't need to do a pregame "check the book" to do any of that. If the number was changed in the book within the proper "time frame", then I'm going to charge a technical foul.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

10.1.2 (b) "The infraction occurs when the scorer is advised to add to or change the scorebook. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball has become live, it is too late to penalize."

In the OP, the book was apparently changed before the game. Once you get to halftime, it's too late to penalize it.

Bob,
If the coach decides to put #10/31 in the game in the second half we will now have to deal with the number change, correct? If the official scorer "claims" he made the change prior to the deadline and we have no knowledge otherwise then we should accept the home book as being correct and again, there is no penalty. Is that correct?

Or, being that we have a situation where we have been made aware the books disagree, get it straightened right now to avoid any problems in the second half?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In the OP, the book was apparently changed before the game. Once you get to halftime, it's too late to penalize it.

Three scorebook situations: adding a name to the team roster, changing a name or a number in the official scorebook, and/or having a player change a uniform number, are penalized with a team technical foul when they occur, after the ten minute time limit. These infractions occur when the scorer is advised to add to or change the official scorebook. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball becomes live, after such changes have been made to the scorebook, it is too late to penalize.

After the ten minute time limit a team is charged with a maximum of one technical foul regardless of how many infractions of the following are committed: changing a designated starter, adding a name to the team member list, requiring the scorer to change a team member’s or player’s number in the scorebook, requiring a player to change to the number in the scorebook, and/or having identical numbers on team members and/or players. Each player must wear the number indicated in the scorebook, or change the official scorebook number to that the player is wearing. Any additional substitutes who become players and require the changing of the number indicated for them in the official scorebook will not result in a penalty, as the one maximum technical has already been charged to the team for that team’s administrative infraction

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

10.1.2 (b) "The infraction occurs when the scorer is advised to add to or change the scorebook. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball has become live, it is too late to penalize."

In the OP, the book was apparently changed before the game. Once you get to halftime, it's too late to penalize it.

You're right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

10.1.2 (b) "The infraction occurs when the scorer is advised to add to or change the scorebook. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball has become live, it is too late to penalize."

In the OP, the book was apparently changed before the game. Once you get to halftime, it's too late to penalize it.

Originally Posted by Adam

You're right.

I'm just going to add something. The rule seems to be written from the perspective of an effective table that is doing everything right. If, however, you have a table who's either unscrupulous or incompetent, I'd be tempted to issue the T. If this was my only indication, I'd likely pass and simply send a note to the assigner.

If, however, this school has a history of this sort of thing, or the scorer has given me trouble indicating they are not up to the task of objectively performing their duties, I can't guarantee I'd pass.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Home team book makes a change to a home number? I'm probably getting it. But I wouldn't talk anyone into it.

Wouldn't it be a good opportunity to turn int into a teaching moment for the coaches who may be trying to advance in their careers? Enforcing the T would help them where as you may rob them of a valuable lesson they shouldn't have to learn the hard way when they get to varsity level.