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Old Thu Feb 28, 2008, 10:20pm
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Toward the end of a very close game in a state tournament - A1 is called for a foul. After the official reports the foul, the scorers table notified the official that it was A1's 5th foul. Team A head coach disagrees thinking that his player only has 4 fouls instead of his 5th disqualifiying foul and protest the official book. The home team book has 4 fouls on A1, as does the visiting team book. The official book has 5....... What do you do?

It just so happens that A1 is team A's best player.
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Old Thu Feb 28, 2008, 10:36pm
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Attempt to reconcile and find the error. Since both the home and vistor books show only 4 fouls fixing this may be possible. Bring all three books together and compare them. Or if an official has definite knowledge of something that would cause a change (such as knowing that a foul was called on #33, but the official book doesn't have that), then the R can do that.

Otherwise, the record of the official book is to be accepted.
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Old Thu Feb 28, 2008, 11:43pm
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I have a few questions here-
A.Why are there three books floating around the table during a postseason game anyway?
B. If your timer keeps a record of the fouls on paper does it match up with the official book's?
C. Does the A HC or AC remember the scorer telling them A1 has 3 or 4 fouls?
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Old Thu Feb 28, 2008, 11:46pm
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I have a few questions here-
A.Why are there three books floating around the table during a postseason game anyway?
Tournament host site usually supplies an offiical scorer with each team's scorer serving as unofficial scorers.

Although in a regional final here last year, the officials declared the home designated team's book official and not the neutral host site's book.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 12:11am
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3 books

I have kept the scorebook in this situation and yes it occurs in tournament games when 1-Official scorer [email protected] are the books of the 2 teams playing (if the host team is playing then there are 2 books) It requires good communications by the official scorer ( when a foul is reported he will notify the other scorers foul is on white 33 and they acknowledge it, same with time outs) This usually keeps everyone on the same page and it keeps you on your toes.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 03:40am
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Toward the end of a very close game in a state tournament - A1 is called for a foul. After the official reports the foul, the scorers table notified the official that it was A1's 5th foul. Team A head coach disagrees thinking that his player only has 4 fouls instead of his 5th disqualifiying foul and protest the official book. The home team book has 4 fouls on A1, as does the visiting team book. The official book has 5....... What do you do?

It just so happens that A1 is team A's best player.
I'd take the two books that agree. Clearly both wouldn't "cheat" in the same way. A1 has 4 fouls. Now, find out who is missing a foul (or did A1's just get entered twice).
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 08:58am
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If the "home" book and the "visiting" book had the same foul count then they could have bumped those 2 books to see if the foul counts were exactly alike down the line. And then bump those results against the official book to see if there was a "missing" foul for another player.
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 09:52am
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if the error can be found, correct it. If not, let the official book ride with the burden of accuracy also on the scorekeeper.

Is it me or are we all over scorekeepers today???
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 10:37am
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This does not fall under the correctible errors......however, it would be okay to correct the official scorebook if you found it was wrong? Can you correct it at anytime....like after the ball was put into play and then a stoppage occurs....etc?
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Old Fri Feb 29, 2008, 10:43am
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This would be a scorekeeping/bookkeeping error, which is correctable at any time prior to the end of the game.
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