Who's calling 'palming' on this video

[ballgame99]

Not a chance. nice hesitation move. Only if he cups it and crosses that ball completely over to the other side would that be a carry.

[JRutledge]

Billy,

If you have not noticed, officials do not agree on this play no matter their level. So I think this constant focus on what we do at the HS level compared to other levels is silly to me. I call the exact same game at the HS level when it comes to fouls and violations as I do for the college level. The only difference is HS players usually cannot deal with the contact the same way and are not as artful in their committing violations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this constant focus on what we do at the HS level compared to other levels is silly to me.

It's silly to you because you are familiar, and are aware of, the similarities, and differences, between at least two different rule sets. Every year IAABO gives us a card that lists the differences between NFHS, and NCAA, rules. I never even look at the card because I only care about NFHS rules. Until you told me that a carry in high school is the same as a carry in college, I didn't know that. Now I do, so if I ever have a dream, or a nightmare, that I'm officiating an NCAA game, then I guess I'll call this a carry. Keep in mind that the original video was from an NBA game. Other than watching a few Celtics games every year on television, I have no interest at all in NBA games, and thus I have no interest in, or knowledge of, NBA rules, which why I stated my interpretation for a high school game scenario, not an interpretation relating to the NBA video.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Not a chance. nice hesitation move. Only if he cups it and crosses that ball completely over to the other side would that be a carry.

Regardless of whether this video is a carry, this is just flat out wrong.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Regardless of whether this video is a carry, this is just flat out wrong.

It he had hesitated there for a bit longer, it would have a carry.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It he had hesitated there for a bit longer, it would have a carry.

I agree. I thought this was close, in slow motion. I'm unlikely to make this call in a game, and would likely want the whistle back if I did.

[JBleach85]

I'd pass on it. Like someone else said if he hesitated a little longer than maybe I might have something, but in any case I'll pass.

[JugglingReferee]

Close, but I'd pass.

[billyu2]

For those who are thinking violation on this might first consider the behind-the-back dribble. Most times there is more "carrying" while executing a b-t-b dribble than ever occurs during a dribble in front of the body. And I've never seen a violation called for a b-t-b dribble.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A rare instance where Billy and I agree.

Dick Bowie would be proud of you for calling the palm !!!!!!

Now as far as you agreeing with BM...... you are now viewed in a new realm on this site !!!!!!!!

As far as the play.....not a palm at the Dome (East Baltimore) or Berry Farms

(Southeast DC), at least if you value your life !!!!!!!

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Adam

Regardless of whether this video is a carry, this is just flat out wrong.

How is any of that wrong? This is the play I just described:

if that ain't a carry, nothing is.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Not a chance. nice hesitation move. Only if he cups it and crosses that ball completely over to the other side would that be a carry.

The part that is wrong is the last sentence. The word "only" makes it an incorrect statement. Palming requires neither "cupping" nor a "cross over."

[JugglingReferee]

I like the call made by the T in the 2nd video.

As for comparing them, I don't see them as being the same play. Not at all. So I'm happy that there are different calls.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

How is any of that wrong? This is the play I just described:
if that ain't a carry, nothing is.

Yes, that is. But this is not the minimum required to be a carry... your "only..." statement leads us to think that is what you meant... and is what was wrong in what you said.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

if that ain't a carry, nothing is.

If Ray Charles was a basketball official, and if he were alive, he would call that (most recent video) a carry. If Stevie Wonder was a basketball official, he would call that (most recent video) a carry. Just sayin'.