Who's calling 'palming' on this video

[ballgame99]

Not a chance. nice hesitation move. Only if he cups it and crosses that ball completely over to the other side would that be a carry.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Not a chance. nice hesitation move. Only if he cups it and crosses that ball completely over to the other side would that be a carry.

Regardless of whether this video is a carry, this is just flat out wrong.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Regardless of whether this video is a carry, this is just flat out wrong.

It he had hesitated there for a bit longer, it would have a carry.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It he had hesitated there for a bit longer, it would have a carry.

I agree. I thought this was close, in slow motion. I'm unlikely to make this call in a game, and would likely want the whistle back if I did.

[JBleach85]

I'd pass on it. Like someone else said if he hesitated a little longer than maybe I might have something, but in any case I'll pass.

[JugglingReferee]

Close, but I'd pass.

[billyu2]

For those who are thinking violation on this might first consider the behind-the-back dribble. Most times there is more "carrying" while executing a b-t-b dribble than ever occurs during a dribble in front of the body. And I've never seen a violation called for a b-t-b dribble.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Adam

Regardless of whether this video is a carry, this is just flat out wrong.

How is any of that wrong? This is the play I just described:

if that ain't a carry, nothing is.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

How is any of that wrong? This is the play I just described:
if that ain't a carry, nothing is.

Yes, that is. But this is not the minimum required to be a carry... your "only..." statement leads us to think that is what you meant... and is what was wrong in what you said.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

if that ain't a carry, nothing is.

If Ray Charles was a basketball official, and if he were alive, he would call that (most recent video) a carry. If Stevie Wonder was a basketball official, he would call that (most recent video) a carry. Just sayin'.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If Ray Charles was a basketball official, and if he were alive, he would call that a carry. If Stevie Wonder was a basketball official, he would call that a carry. Just sayin'.

And what rule reference would these blind musicians use to justify calling that play a violation?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And what rule reference would these blind musicians use to justify calling that play a violation?

I think Billy is talking about the second video, not the OP.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And what rule reference would these blind musicians use to justify calling that play a violation?

4-15 ART. 1 A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats
(intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once
or several times. It is not a part of a dribble when the ball touches a player’s own
backboard.
ART. 2 During a dribble the ball may be batted into the air provided it is
permitted to strike the floor before the ball is touched again with the hand(s).
ART. 3 The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing or batting the ball
to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted.
ART. 4 The dribble ends when:
a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both
hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or
both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. The ball touches or is touched by an opponent and causes the dribbler to
lose control.
e. The ball becomes dead.

9-5 A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

4.15.4 SITUATION A: As dribbler A1 attempts to change directions to avoid
guard B1, he/she allows the ball to come to rest in one hand in bringing the ball
from the right to the left side of the body. A1 pushes the ball to the floor in an
attempt to continue the dribble. RULING: When A1 palmed/carried the ball, the
dribble ended and when he/she pushed the ball to the floor a violation occurred.
(9-5)

4.15.4 SITUATION B: A1, while advancing the ball by dribbling, manages to
keep a hand in contact with the ball until it reaches its maximum height. A1 maintains
such contact as the ball descends, pushing it to the floor at the last moment;
however, after six or seven bounces, A1’s hand is in contact with the ball and the
palm of the hand on this particular dribble is skyward so that the ball is resting
on top of the hand. RULING: The dribble has ended and a violation occurs if A1
dribbles again. The dribble ended when the ball came to rest in the palm of A1’s
hand. (9-5)

[rockyroad]

And none so those things happened in the OP video...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Not a chance. nice hesitation move. Only if he cups it and crosses that ball completely over to the other side would that be a carry.

The part that is wrong is the last sentence. The word "only" makes it an incorrect statement. Palming requires neither "cupping" nor a "cross over."