Who's calling 'palming' on this video

[bainsey]

Only if I were ordered to so do.

[BillyMac]

In my high school game, I'm probably calling palming (carrying). Shoot me if you guys want to, but that's probably what I'm doing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school game, I'm probably calling palming (carrying). Shoot me if you guys want to, but that's probably what I'm doing.

A rare instance where Billy and I agree.

[MD Longhorn]

Nope

[bob jenkins]

Let me ask the OP -- are you asking if we would call it or if we should call it?

(maybe we would call it, but we would be wrong / shouldn't call it.
maybe we wouldn't call it, but we would be wrong / should call it.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A rare instance where Billy and I agree.

[twocentsworth]

I am not calling the palming/carry violation here.....because it's not a palming/carry violation.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A rare instance where Billy and I agree.

Dick Bowie would be proud of you for calling the palm !!!!!!

Now as far as you agreeing with BM...... you are now viewed in a new realm on this site !!!!!!!!

As far as the play.....not a palm at the Dome (East Baltimore) or Berry Farms

(Southeast DC), at least if you value your life !!!!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school game, I'm probably calling palming (carrying). Shoot me if you guys want to, but that's probably what I'm doing.

Why does it make any difference what level this is this takes place? I am calling the same at all levels because the rule is the same at all levels I am aware of.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why does it make any difference what level this is this takes place? I am calling the same at all levels because the rule is the same at all levels I am aware of.

That's because you work at least two levels, NFHS, and NCAA, and with your college experience, you probably have a much better understanding of NBA rules than some of us, most certainly me.

I know NFHS rules. Period. I don't know that the rule is the same at all levels, and even if the rule were exactly the same at all levels, how would I know that officials at all three levels interpret the rules exactly the same?

My high school game. This is a carry. I believe that in this situation it's a judgment call, it's a carry, that's my call, and popular, or not, I'm sticking to it. Another high school official may call this differently, and I wouldn't have a major problem with an interpretation other than my own. Like Camron Rust posted earlier, "It's close".

[JRutledge]

Billy,

If you have not noticed, officials do not agree on this play no matter their level. So I think this constant focus on what we do at the HS level compared to other levels is silly to me. I call the exact same game at the HS level when it comes to fouls and violations as I do for the college level. The only difference is HS players usually cannot deal with the contact the same way and are not as artful in their committing violations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this constant focus on what we do at the HS level compared to other levels is silly to me.

It's silly to you because you are familiar, and are aware of, the similarities, and differences, between at least two different rule sets. Every year IAABO gives us a card that lists the differences between NFHS, and NCAA, rules. I never even look at the card because I only care about NFHS rules. Until you told me that a carry in high school is the same as a carry in college, I didn't know that. Now I do, so if I ever have a dream, or a nightmare, that I'm officiating an NCAA game, then I guess I'll call this a carry. Keep in mind that the original video was from an NBA game. Other than watching a few Celtics games every year on television, I have no interest at all in NBA games, and thus I have no interest in, or knowledge of, NBA rules, which why I stated my interpretation for a high school game scenario, not an interpretation relating to the NBA video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's silly to you because you are familiar, and are aware of, the similarities, and differences, between at least two different rule sets. Every year IAABO gives us a card that lists the differences between NFHS, and NCAA, rules. I never even look at the card because I only care about NFHS rules. Until you told me that a carry in high school is the same as a carry in college, I didn't know that. Now I do, so if I ever have a dream, or a nightmare, that I'm officiating an NCAA game, then I guess I'll call this a carry. Keep in mind that the original video was from an NBA game. Other than watching a few Celtics games every year on television, I have no interest at all in NBA games, and thus I have no interest in, or knowledge of, NBA rules, which why I stated my interpretation for a high school game scenario, not an interpretation relating to the NBA video.

Well considering that NF interpreted a carry was "more than a handshake" I did not see that in this video quite that way. The ball on some level is going to come to rest in most dribbler's hand at some point and this just does not pass the smell test for me. There are such things as legal hesitations dribbles. If you only care about NF rules, then it seems really silly to comment on what other levels do when you are not aware. Just so you know, the rules on this are basically the same at all levels of basketball. Heck most rules are the same if you want to know the truth.

I also think that high school officials often try to call any little infraction without really taking a look at the bigger picture of the game. Not saying that is you, but you did point out what you would do in a HS game as if the other levels would do or would be instructed differently. Just pointing out that this is not true.

Peace