WNBA: Jacket Removal and Toss

[APG]

Does that jacket removal and toss earn her a second T in your game?

WNBA Finals -- Lin Dunn, Indiana Fever coach, criticizes Minnesota Lynx coach Cheryl Reeve for actions in Game 2 - ESPN

INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana coach Lin Dunn criticized the coach of the Minnesota Lynx on Thursday, accusing her of a "lack of respect" for an outburst that seemed to spur the Lynx to a win in the WNBA Finals.

Dunn said she wasn't amused by Minnesota coach Cheryl Reeve's meltdown on Wednesday night. Ignited by Reeve's technical foul and subsequent jacket toss, Minnesota turned up the intensity in the second half to pull away for an 83-71 win in Game 2 to even the series at one game apiece. Game 3 is in Indianapolis on Friday.

Dunn said she thought Reeve should have been ejected because the wildest part of the tantrum came after the technical.

"I guess the thing that concerns me is that after she got her first technical, then she proceeded to take her jacket off, throw her jacket," Dunn said. "In my opinion, that should have been reason for a second technical and removal, and they (the officials) did not do that, and of course, she was able to incite the crowd.

"There's no doubt in my mind that her behavior after the first technical warranted ejection, and I was very disappointed that the officials allowed her to in some ways, you know, just kind of a lack of respect for the game and lack of respect for them. I was disappointed in the whole affair."

[Raymond]

No doubt where I work a 2nd T would be expected.

[bob jenkins]

Very likely.

[MD Longhorn]

Heck yes. This was an embarrassment to her self, her team, and her sport.

[twocentsworth]

Nope. That is not egregious enough for me at the college level. It was not directed at the official, was not a prolonged action, and her staff got her under control pretty quickly.

If this is a HS game, then yes....

(Let the criticism begin).....

[BigBaldGuy]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Nope. That is not egregious enough for me at the college level. It was not directed at the official, was not a prolonged action, and her staff got her under control pretty quickly.

If this is a HS game, then yes....

(Let the criticism begin).....

At the Women's College level the tossing of the jacket is a separate act from the initial whack for arguing...two whacks.

How egregious do you want it to be? The NCAA said it really wants to clean up coaches’ behavior...you better whack that this year or nothing will change.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Nope. That is not egregious enough for me at the college level. It was not directed at the official, was not a prolonged action, and her staff got her under control pretty quickly.

If this is a HS game, then yes....

(Let the criticism begin).....

So by that logic if she turned, picked up a chair and launched it behind the bench you wouldn't have tossed her, either? I mean, it wouldn't have been directed at an official, wouldn't have been prolonged and we can assume her staff would've gotten her to calm down pretty quickly.

As BigBald said, how egregious do you want it to be?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No doubt where I work a 2nd T would be expected.

Especially since, now that I watched the entire video, that was a great no-call by the official

[rockyroad]

Absolutely...and I would have no problem giving her the 2nd one myself had I called the first one.

[Rich]

Yes. And I think a coach would've gotten the gate in the NBA, too.

[tref]

http://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Gro...sert_FINAL.pdf

Appendix III

4. emphatically
removing one’s coat in response to a call/no-call or throwing
equipment or clothing on to the floor

This year the emphasis is apparently on:
1. Simply removing the coat emphatically.
2. Throwing equipment.
3. If the coat is already off, throwing it.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yes. And I think a coach would've gotten the gate in the NBA, too.

I don't think so...toss the jacket onto the court or in the stands sure. Toss is at your assistant coach? That's nothing.

[Eastshire]

Come on, all she did was vigorously hand her jacket to an assistant.

Seriously though, I wouldn't have categorized that as tossing or throwing the jacket. It simply didn't go far enough and it went straight to an assistant coach who caught it without so much as a second thought.

For the high school level, I think the fit probably lasted long enough for a second T. For professional ball, I wouldn't expect a second T here.

I expect emotional responses to Ts and I don't want to pile on. If the jacket was slammed to the floor or launched across the floor, I'd think differently.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Come on, all she did was vigorously hand her jacket to an assistant.

Seriously though, I wouldn't have categorized that as tossing or throwing the jacket. It simply didn't go far enough and it went straight to an assistant coach who caught it without so much as a second thought.

For the high school level, I think the fit probably lasted long enough for a second T. For professional ball, I wouldn't expect a second T here.

I expect emotional responses to Ts and I don't want to pile on. If the jacket was slammed to the floor or launched across the floor, I'd think differently.

Do you really think she "aimed" it at her assistant?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

...
I expect emotional responses to Ts and I don't want to pile on. If the jacket was slammed to the floor or launched across the floor, I'd think differently.

Why do expect emotional responses to a 'T'? Both the player and the coach got T'd on a play that the official absolutely got right. So after being T'd for inappropriate behavior they should be allotted more inappropriate behavior?