I Think They Teach This

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Elucidate for me what is wrong with that.

ART. 2 . . . When the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers
shall not:
a. Move onto the center restraining circle.
b. Change position around the center restraining circle.

So telling everyone to "hold their spots" is not supported by rule. If they are on the circle, they can't move to another spot, but they can move their feet around if they want to...if they aren't, they can wander all over the court if they want to.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

ART. 2 . . . When the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers
shall not:
a. Move onto the center restraining circle.
b. Change position around the center restraining circle.

So telling everyone to "hold their spots" is not supported by rule. If they are on the circle, they can't move to another spot, but they can move their feet around if they want to...if they aren't, they can wander all over the court if they want to.

As you might have noticed, we were taught to say this (but as the R, not the U). I agree that it doesn't apply to those not on the circle but it does to those on the circle and as I've always understood it, they are who we were communicating with.

I guess I'll drop it but at least I got to use elucidate in a sentence.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Welpe

As you might have noticed, we were taught to say this (but as the R, not the U). I agree that it doesn't apply to those not on the circle but it does to those on the circle and as I've always understood it, they are who we were communicating with.

I guess I'll drop it but at least I got to use elucidate in a sentence.

No, it actually doesn't.

Those on the circle may leave the circle at any time....no restriction.

The ONLY thing that is restricted is a player moving into a new spot around the circle (which is defined as being within 3 feet) and applies whether they come from elsewhere on the circle or from a position off the circle.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Those on the circle may leave the circle at any time....no restriction.

IDK why we interpret "onto" as any & all movement for all players...

Had a partner (U) call a violation during my toss because a player in the b/c walked toward his coach :-(

[bob jenkins]

I used to get (mildly) annoyed by this. Now, i just assume pretend that the official who says this is talking to the jumpers -- to whom it does (reasonably) apply.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I used to get (mildly) annoyed by this. Now, i just assume pretend that the official who says this is talking to the jumpers -- to whom it does (reasonably) apply.

I have been known to say this and, well, I do say it to the jumpers. I also tell them not to steal it and then I launch it up when neither of them is ready. Just kidding.

The players around the circle, those are not my responsibility. I'm too busy trying not to get elbowed in the face.

[JRutledge]

I have said, "Wait until the ball is tipped" but I am more talking to the jumpers. As far as I am concerned, this is more on the teams to know the rules. And I only say this as the Referee. Never thought of the other players honestly.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, it actually doesn't.

OK, point made and despite Billy's implication, I do actually know the rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

OK, point made and despite Billy's implication, I do actually know the rule.

I don't. At least not all the various permutations of the jump ball rules. I used to, but that was three decades ago.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It does to those on the circle.

What? They can back off the circle anytime they want.

This is why I believe that the NFHS should do away with all jump balls. Many officials, including myself, don't know the jump ball rules as well as we did back in the olden days when we had several jump balls in a game, at three different circles, with a several different players jumping.

Man, I hope that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. doesn't read this post. If he does, I'm sure that he'll chastise me for my opinion. Hopefully he's busy moderating over on the Softball Forum and won't see this. Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., if you do read this, and decide to comment, remember that since the Forum merger with Twitter you are limited to 140 characters.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I guess I'll drop it but at least I got to use elucidate in a sentence.

And because of that, I learned something new! I can't wait to work it into a conversation.