Blood and free throws

[hoopguy]

Just saw this incident recently and it got me to thinking. Player A receives a pass underneath the basket and player B who is behind player A fouls player A so hard he gets knocked down hard to the ground landing on his front with his elbow contacting the court hard enough to cause bleeding. The foul would definitely qualify for an intentional foul and potentially a flagrant.

First thought about the flagrant... What would be the correct mechanics in reporting this if calling a flagrant personal foul? Do I signal the X and then when I report speak to coach and inform him that player B has been disqualified due to the flagrant personal foul? Do I inform the player at the spot that he has committed a flagrant personal foul? Is this the type of foul where you would sell the call at the spot? Does anyone use the baseball ump ‘your outa here’ signal?

Second, about the blood. I believe in this situation, I would give player A as much time and medical help as is needed to stop the bleeding so that he could shoot the free throws. Would this be correct by rule?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Just saw this incident recently and it got me to thinking. Player A receives a pass underneath the basket and player B who is behind player A fouls player A so hard he gets knocked down hard to the ground landing on his front with his elbow contacting the court hard enough to cause bleeding. The foul would definitely qualify for an intentional foul and potentially a flagrant.

First thought about the flagrant... What would be the correct mechanics in reporting this if calling a flagrant personal foul? Do I signal the X and then when I report speak to coach and inform him that player B has been disqualified due to the flagrant personal foul? Do I inform the player at the spot that he has committed a flagrant personal foul? Is this the type of foul where you would sell the call at the spot? Does anyone use the baseball ump ‘your outa here’ signal?

Second, about the blood. I believe in this situation, I would give player A as much time and medical help as is needed to stop the bleeding so that he could shoot the free throws. Would this be correct by rule?

If you are calling a flagrant personal foul, you would never signal the X. X is for an intentional foul, not a personal foul. And there is no signal for an ejection, other than to verbalize it.

I would verbalize flagrant foul at the spot, and I wouldn't necessarily directly tell the player being ejected that s/he's gone. When reporting the foul to the table, I would report a flagrant foul and that the player is disqualified from further participation in that game.

I can't think of a rule that allows us for the foulee to be treated for the blood and remain in the game, except for using a timeout and having the foulee ready to play.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If you are calling a flagrant personal foul, you would never signal the X. X is for an intentional foul, not a personal foul. And there is no signal for an ejection, other than to verbalize it.

Intentional fouls can be either personal (live ball) or technical (dead ball).
I can see X'ing a play like this & then upgrading it to a flagrant personal foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Intentional fouls can be either personal (live ball) or technical (dead ball).
I can see X'ing a play like this & then upgrading it to a flagrant personal foul.

Agreed, there's no mechanic for flagrant, but an X works well, followed by a table report. I would treat the notifications similar to a normal DQ. Partner, table, coach, player (if the player isn't already sitting on the bench).

[SmokeEater]

I like the FIBA signal for disqualification. Think of a made three only keep your arms bent a bit and fists closed. \0/

Or as one of my partners likes to say its the "Yes, he's outta here signal."

[JeroenB]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I like the FIBA signal for disqualification. Think of a made three only keep your arms bent a bit and fists closed. \0/

Or as one of my partners likes to say its the "Yes, he's outta here signal."

I always wondered why HS/College basketball officials don't have an ejection/disqualification signal like FIBA refs do. Seems to me that you want it to be clear for everyone when you're tossing someone, right?