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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:10pm
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Rare plays

I have two kinds of stories I love to hear from you guys. One is how you deal with problem children. Coaches, players, fans, etc who must be managed.

Yet my other one is weird plays. Situations where you have to know your rule book really well because it will only happen once every 200-1000 games.

Like the opening tip being touched 3 times being a violation. Or when a guy can leave the court dribbling and can return to the court.

If you were talking to me and I have a pretty good idea of the game but needed a little warning about this little rule book issue and where it came up for you. What would your story/warning/example be for me in this thread?

And if you dont have one tell me if you have ever had to deal with a situation where a player is hurt and the opposing coach has demanded he chooses who shoots the free-throws rather then the sub who is coming in.
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:22pm
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If you were talking to me and I have a pretty good idea of the game but needed a little warning about this little rule book issue and where it came up for you. What would your story/warning/example be for me in this thread?
I started officiating at the youth football level & the coaches were always trying to hustle a call. I didnt know the rules well, so I'd bite on a few, later realizing that I messed up. Thats when I got my nose in the book.

There's no more comfortable feeling than knowing theres nothing that can happen on the court/field that I cant adjudicate properly.


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And if you dont have one tell me if you have ever had to deal with a situation where a player is hurt and the opposing coach has demanded he chooses who shoots the free-throws rather then the sub who is coming in.
In a HS game, "coach they pay me alot more money when that ruleset is in effect."
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:26pm
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I started officiating at the youth football level & the coaches were always trying to hustle a call. I didnt know the rules well, so I'd bite on a few, later realizing that I messed up. Thats when I got my nose in the book.

There's no more comfortable feeling than knowing theres nothing that can happen on the court/field that I cant adjudicate properly.




In a HS game, "coach they pay me alot more money when that ruleset is in effect."
Has anyone even had a coach demand this. In my first 1000 games I havent really seen on request it.
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:36pm
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Has anyone even had a coach demand this. In my first 1000 games I havent really seen on request it.
Nope, never seen it. Now that it's been instituted at the NCAA level as well, we might see it in the future (once fans realize it's an NCAA rule).

I've had coaches ask me about the restricted arc, but only as a legitimate question (as opposed to the jeapordy version they all play to make a point).
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:46pm
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Nope, never seen it. Now that it's been instituted at the NCAA level as well, we might see it in the future (once fans realize it's an NCAA rule).

I've had coaches ask me about the restricted arc, but only as a legitimate question (as opposed to the jeapordy version they all play to make a point).
It's been my experience that when coaches spout out about a rule, the difference comes from an NBA rule versus a NFHS rule since NCAA are overwhelming the same. All I think that NCAA-M adopting this rule, which is similar to the NBA rule, will do is reaffirm to some coaches that we're doing it "wrong."
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Most any rules discussion I have with a coach is a comedy.
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When a coach ask me a question about another level, I usually just say, "That is a college rule" and that usually stops the discussion.

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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:20pm
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Padgett makes the coach a bet.
If the coach is right, Padgett will pay him $100.
If the coach is wrong, he washes Padgett's car.

So far no coach has ever taken the bet.
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:56pm
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This past February in an NYC HS Girls' game a coach was using a program on her iPad to chart shots, possessions, etc. and I'll admit my partner and I were caught off guard because neither of us remembered NCAA 10-4-2 - or thought to check it in our rule books at halftime - until after the game ended (NYS Girls' play modified NCAA rules).

I contacted my assigner and my rules interpreter and both sent out an e-mail the next day to all officials reminding them the iPad program was illegal.
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:04pm
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Plays/situations I'm still waiting to see...

*A player using tobacco
*A player grasping the rim to pull himself up and then dunking the ball during the same play...resulting in two Ts. I came close. The kid wasn't able to dunk it.
*(NFHS 10-1-10) Players locking arms to restrict an opponent's movement
*(NFHS 10-3-6e) Climbing on or lifting a teammate to secure greater height
*(10-3-9) Goaltend during a free throw
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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:18pm
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*A player using tobacco
Seen this in other sports, seems to be a universal rule across multiple HS or college sports.

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*A player grasping the rim to pull himself up and then dunking the ball during the same play...resulting in two Ts. I came close. The kid wasn't able to dunk it.
Seen this before and would only give one T.

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*(NFHS 10-1-10) Players locking arms to restrict an opponent's movement
Almost saw this one.

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*(NFHS 10-3-6e) Climbing on or lifting a teammate to secure greater height
Never seen this one.

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*(10-3-9) Goaltend during a free throw
This happen in the SEC Championship game about 7 or 8 years ago. I saw this live on TV and was shocked.

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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:21pm
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When Pigs Fly ???

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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:09pm
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False double foul
These happen all the time.
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