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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:32am
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Euro Step synonym for travel. Euro Step is end dribble on left foot change direction on right foot leap off left foot.
No it is not. All a Euro Step is in the first place is a move where with your pivot foot in one direction and change direction on the next step. It is often performed legally and sometimes not like any other move. There is nothing in the move that suggest it is illegal. It is a move to make the defender think you are going one way and then dart in the other direction. Now since the term has no rulebook basis but the attempt of the move in itself is not illegal, it is the execution that matters. Players try all kinds of things and do not necessarily do them legally.

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Old Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:35am
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I am not convinced the first play is a travel. For one the issue is when did the player gather the ball to stop his dribble. I think the first one is possibly legal. The second one is obviously a travel as the move is a hop step after establishing the ball and pivot foot while in control of the ball.

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Old Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:22pm
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I am not convinced the first play is a travel. For one the issue is when did the player gather the ball to stop his dribble. I think the first one is possibly legal. The second one is obviously a travel as the move is a hop step after establishing the ball and pivot foot while in control of the ball.

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Same here...not conviced first move is illegal. Dribble ends and left foot is pivot, then steps through and jumps off right foot. This is an awkward movement since it sets up a left handed try. Yet, the shooter ends up releasing a right handed try. Awkward looking for sure. Illegal? Not so sure. We have awkward looking plays in youth ball all the time that cause fans to scream "travel" or "foul". We often know better. This may be one of those awkward movements that is, in fact legal.

The second is obvious - both feet initially land with ball in hands, then both feet move before the dribble (ball is pushed to ground) begins. Traveling.
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Old Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:36pm
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The second is obvious - both feet initially land with ball in hands, then both feet move before the dribble (ball is pushed to ground) begins. Traveling.
I think most people are talking about the move at the end of the dribble rather than to begin the dribble. In real time speed, I'd venture to guess it wouldn't be called 95/100 times.
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Old Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:23pm
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I think most people are talking about the move at the end of the dribble rather than to begin the dribble. In real time speed, I'd venture to guess it wouldn't be called 95/100 times.
Agreed. I saw the first move, but it was so slight, I'm not sure that gets called regularly at any level.
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