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jump stop Wed Aug 15, 2012 07:01am

Video: Euro step, Gasol move ? Make the call
 
Using high school or NCAA rule book, would you blow the whistle??

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Raymond Wed Aug 15, 2012 07:27am

Both would be travels for replanted pivot foot.

jdmara Wed Aug 15, 2012 08:20am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 851828)
Both would be travels for replanted pivot foot.

1+. The tough part in the first video is when one determines when he has ended his dribble/gathered the ball. I agree that they are both travels by rule

-Josh

hoopguy Wed Aug 15, 2012 09:43am

Euro Step synonym for travel. Euro Step is end dribble on left foot change direction on right foot leap off left foot.

The clip is definitely a travel. The problem is, this is very hard to pick up in live action as the lead official. As the lead, I tend to be watching for hack and positioning for potential block or PC. I call when I see but it is easier to see from non lead position because as lead my focus is more on the fouling potential than the travel potential. Also, easier to see from the stands:).

You pretty much know the player has traveled when he changes direction on his right foot and then leaps off his left foot. When this happens he has ended his dribble on his left foot.

JRutledge Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:32am

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Originally Posted by hoopguy (Post 851841)
Euro Step synonym for travel. Euro Step is end dribble on left foot change direction on right foot leap off left foot.

No it is not. All a Euro Step is in the first place is a move where with your pivot foot in one direction and change direction on the next step. It is often performed legally and sometimes not like any other move. There is nothing in the move that suggest it is illegal. It is a move to make the defender think you are going one way and then dart in the other direction. Now since the term has no rulebook basis but the attempt of the move in itself is not illegal, it is the execution that matters. Players try all kinds of things and do not necessarily do them legally.

Peace

JRutledge Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:35am

I am not convinced the first play is a travel. For one the issue is when did the player gather the ball to stop his dribble. I think the first one is possibly legal. The second one is obviously a travel as the move is a hop step after establishing the ball and pivot foot while in control of the ball.

Peace

APG Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopguy (Post 851841)
Euro Step synonym for travel. Euro Step is end dribble on left foot change direction on right foot leap off left foot.

Negative.

Most Euro steps are legal in high school games. Too many officials call them "travels" because it looks "funny." All the Euro step is a your typical lay-up except the "steps" are not in a straight line.

As far as the videos, none of those plays are going to be called a travel in real time, and I would not have called them myself.

Raymond Wed Aug 15, 2012 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 851847)
...As far as the videos, none of those plays are going to be called a travel in real time, and I would not have called them myself.

Of the 2 I would have detected the 1st one easier than Gasol's.

JetMetFan Wed Aug 15, 2012 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 851853)
Of the 2 I would have detected the 1st one easier than Gasol's.

Reverse that for me. I think in real time the second is easier to call then the first, mainly because of the factor JRut mentioned: determining when A1 ended his dribble. It's one of those that looks bad but most likely is legal.

In the second, Gasol gathers, lands on his right foot and then moves both feet in the process of pivoting. That's one we see more than a few times per game at the H.S./NCAA level.

JRutledge Wed Aug 15, 2012 02:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 851847)
As far as the videos, none of those plays are going to be called a travel in real time, and I would not have called them myself.

I think I would have caught the second one if I was a C or probably T if no one was in my area. But then again I would not guess either.

Peace

twocentsworth Wed Aug 15, 2012 08:30pm

Neither is a travel. The first play is classic Euro-step that is executed properly. The second play is not a travel as Gasoline DOES NOT "alight" on both feet simultaneously...he lands in a 1, 2 manner - then pivots on his 1st step.

Call it a travel if you like; but be prepared to answer questions from your supervisor after the game.

JRutledge Wed Aug 15, 2012 09:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 851891)
Neither is a travel. The first play is classic Euro-step that is executed properly. The second play is not a travel as Gasoline DOES NOT "alight" on both feet simultaneously...he lands in a 1, 2 manner - then pivots on his 1st step.

Call it a travel if you like; but be prepared to answer questions from your supervisor after the game.

I am not worried about the supervisor part, the second one is a travel for sure. Gasol dribbles and picks up his dribble then picks up the ball with the left foot on the floor. Then hops off both his feet lands both feet in that one two movement then pivots off his left foot that was off the floor to shoot. That is a travel because you cannot jump off your feet after you stopped your dribble.

Peace

APG Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 851891)
Neither is a travel. The first play is classic Euro-step that is executed properly. The second play is not a travel as Gasoline DOES NOT "alight" on both feet simultaneously...he lands in a 1, 2 manner - then pivots on his 1st step.

Call it a travel if you like; but be prepared to answer questions from your supervisor after the game.

NFHS/NCAA: This is by the book a travel. Gasol ends his dribble with his right foot on the floor. At this point, he can do one of two things. He can alight off that foot and land simultaneously on both feet. He would not be able to pivot at this point. He can also step with his left foot which would make his right foot the pivot foot.

In the play above, Gasol gathers the ball with his right foot on the floor, steps with his left foot (making the right foot the pivot foot), picks up his right foot (the pivot) and steps with it.

NBA: Completely legal play

Adam Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:03am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 851897)
NFHS/NCAA: This is by the book a travel. Gasol ends his dribble with his right foot on the floor. At this point, he can do one of two things. He can alight off that foot and land simultaneously on both feet. He would be able to pivot at this point. He can also step with his left foot which would make his right foot the pivot foot.

In the play above, Gasol gathers the ball with his right foot on the floor, steps with his left foot (making the right foot the pivot foot), picks up his right foot (the pivot) and steps with it.

NBA: Completely legal play

I think you meant to say he wouldn't be able to pivot....

Adam Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 851891)
Neither is a travel. The first play is classic Euro-step that is executed properly. The second play is not a travel as Gasoline DOES NOT "alight" on both feet simultaneously...he lands in a 1, 2 manner - then pivots on his 1st step.

Call it a travel if you like; but be prepared to answer questions from your supervisor after the game.

If I let a play like this go under NFHS rules, I'll have more to answer for. Mainly because my assigners know the rule.


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