Dunk That Pops Out or BI?

[brainbrian]

Why wouldn't this basket count? The ball is all the way through the cylinder. The only rule I can really find regarding this in NFHS is 5-1-1: "A goal is made when a live ball enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

Why wouldn't this basket count? The ball is all the way through the cylinder. The only rule I can really find regarding this in NFHS is 5-1-1: "A goal is made when a live ball enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through."

Well the ball did not remain in the basket and immediately popped out. So the basket cannot count just for that reason alone. Now if the ball hit his head and popped out, then that would be for other reasons. It would be BI if that is the case, but that is hard to tell by the video and how far away the camera angle is for this play.

Peace

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well the ball did not remain in the basket and immediately popped out. So the basket cannot count just for that reason alone.

But the ball did "pass through" which says is okay according the NFHS rules I found. It just doesn't really say pass through what?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Now if the ball hit his head and popped out, then that would be for other reasons. It would be BI if that is the case

How can you have basket interference after the ball has already passed through the cylinder? (I guess I'm still on the ball passing through the cylinder train of thought.) The ball would be dead at that point and the basket would count.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

But the ball did "pass through" which says is okay according the NFHS rules I found. It just doesn't really say pass through what?

You need to read Rule 2-10-1. In order to know what Rule 5-1 you must know what is considered the basket. The basket obviously by definition involves the net.

"Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside the diameter, its flange and braces, and a white cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring."

Originally Posted by brainbrian

How can you have basket interference after the ball has already passed through the cylinder? (I guess I'm still on the ball passing through the cylinder train of thought.) The ball would be dead at that point and the basket would count.

It would be BI because a player from either team touched a ball including within the net while the ball is on or within the basket. You need to read Rule 4-6-1. There is no distinction as to who the player must be or how they touch the ball. And the ball is only dead when a goal is made. Because of what 5-1 says, you cannot have a goal until the ball has passed through the basket according to Rule 6-7-1.

[JugglingReferee]

Great awareness by these officials to "play on".

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You need to read Rule 2-10-1. In order to know what Rule 5-1 you must know what is considered the basket. The basket obviously by definition involves the net.

"Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside the diameter, its flange and braces, and a white cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring."

It would be BI because a player from either team touched a ball including within the net while the ball is on or within the basket.

Okay, I guess 2-10-1 is what I was looking for. Thanks for clarifying this for me. And since we agree now that the ball did not go all the way "through," then yes, the basket interference call makes obvious sense if it did hit him in the head.

On a related note then, how about if a shot hits an opponents head while in the basket?

[APG]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

Okay, I guess 2-10-1 is what I was looking for. Thanks for clarifying this for me. And since we agree now that the ball did not go all the way "through," then yes, the basket interference call makes obvious sense if it did hit him in the head.

On a related note then, how about if a shot hits an opponents head while in the basket?

Per NBA rules, that's a goaltend (terminology is a little different but the rule is effectively the same as NFHS/NCAA)...NFHS/NCAA, that's basketball interference. It doesn't matter whom contacts the ball while the ball is in the basket.

[JRutledge]

Well that is BI at the college and HS levels. I cannot speak exactly for the NBA as they have often little subtle differences in these areas. But it would have been BI by all other levels as BI does not distinguish how the ball is touched and prevents a player from committing a violation.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

But the ball did "pass through" which says is okay according the NFHS rules I found. It just doesn't really say pass through what?

How can you have basket interference after the ball has already passed through the cylinder? (I guess I'm still on the ball passing through the cylinder train of thought.) The ball would be dead at that point and the basket would count.

basket and rim are not the same thing.

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

basket and rim are not the same thing.

But the rim is a part of the basket.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tref

But the rim is a part of the basket.

Of course. He was saying the ball "passed through the basket" when clearly it only passed through the rim.

[tref]

Yes I saw that, just wanted to clarify for others.

Although the ball passing through the ring alone doesnt constitute the entire basket, the ring is still part of the basket as is the flanges, braces & net.