NCAA Sanctioned HS Tourney

[The_Rookie]

Just got home and one Word sums it up UGLY!.....The coaches acted ugly.. wining and parents chimed in with commentary too and to top it off losing asst coach starts having words with 16 yr old player winning team after da game..

My eyes were opened today to UGLY

[OrStBballRef]

Got to love the weekend warrior/AAU coaches...

One coach interaction this weekend was memorable. I worked 9 games over three days. 2nd to last game on the my last day. One coach is intense as all can be, but for the most part stays away from us. About 15 seconds left in the game, which was a hack fest, his team is down 15 and shooting 2 as we were in the double bonus, or so we thought. Partner calls two and I administer the first which is missed. I'm about to administer the second one and partner blows his whistle and comes down and states table gave the wrong information and it should have been a 1-1. So we briefly confer and go to the arrow which is for the other team. I briefly call out it should have been 1-1 we are going to the arrow. Other team inbounds and the game ends.

We are grabbing our waters from the table and coach comes up to us and demands an explanation for the call. I briefly explain it and he goes on a rant about how we cost his team a chance for a rebound (whatever). Then he goes on another rant about how much money they spent for this tournament and we shouldn't have done it that way and we should have given him an explanation. My response was that yes he did pay a lot of money, which included paying for experienced officials who in this case got the call exactly right. We then head off to watch the game on the other court with him still fuming behind us.

I felt like saying" I'm sorry that call prevented you from losing by 14 vs 15" but I was laughing too much on the inside to pull it off.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Why even bring up the video?

The video is a sociological comment on the differences, despite forty years of equal funding under Title IX, between boys and girls, and mens and womens, basketball. The fact that the girls in the dunking contest have to dunk on an eight foot basket may be viewed by some as demeaning to the sport of girls, or womens, basketball. It would have been very simple to post a video of Brittney Griner dunking in a high school, or NCAA game, but that would be the exception, not the rule. Title IX does not effect levels of testosterone in the blood, and its effect on musculature in the human body, and thus JRutledge's comment that, "No above the rim play in these games for sure", should not be viewed as a derogatory statement, and it is as true today as it was forty years ago, and will be true in the foreseeable future.

My daughter played girls high school basketball, I officiate girls high school basketball, we have a top notch womens NCAA team here in Connecticut, we have a successful professional womens team here in Connecticut, yet it still girls, or womens basketball, and it will always be girls, or womens basketball. I like it, I enjoy officiating it, I enjoy watching it, but it's not the same as boys, or mens basketball, and I don't think that it will ever be the same, it certainly will never be the same in my lifetime.

The video that I posted can be viewed on many different levels, with many implications, which is why I posted it.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The video that I posted can be viewed on many different levels, with many implications, which is why I posted it.

Or, you could have just said you posted it because bob isn't a mod anymore, and you could get away with it.

[The_Rookie]

One More Ahhha moment from AAU Tourney...

The coaches like to create Chaos and commotion by doubting calls made including posession, 3 pointers, FT shooters etc.

Its one thing to lobby for calls and ask questions which most coaches do..but to create a chaos as I saw, really makes our jobs tougher.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Or, you could have just said you posted it because bob isn't a mod anymore, and you could get away with it.

No (not this time). Seriously. I posted it in response to JRutledge's comment that, "No above the rim play in these games for sure". I was originally going to post a video of Brittney Griner dunking, but the video I ended up posting had a better "take" on the differences between boys and girls basketball and seemed more thought provoking. I wondered what feminists would think about girls participating in a dunking contest on eight foot baskets? Is the glass ceiling eight feet high, or ten feet high?

[JRutledge]

Actually Billy I saw yesterday several girls that were around 6'4" or even one girl that was 6'6" and none of them were a threat to dunk the basketball. I am 6 feet tall and I can probably touch the rim and none of these girls were close to jumping that high. Just sayin.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Title IX does not effect levels of testosterone in the blood, and its effect on musculature in the human body, and thus JRutledge's comment that, "No above the rim play in these games for sure", should not be viewed as a derogatory statement, and it is as true today as it was forty years ago, and will be true in the foreseeable future.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually Billy I saw yesterday several girls that were around 6'4" or even one girl that was 6'6" and none of them were a threat to dunk the basketball ...none of these girls were close to jumping that high.

I thought that I had that covered in my earlier post. I think that we're on the same page.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

One More Ahhha moment from AAU Tourney...

The coaches like to create Chaos and commotion by doubting calls made including posession, 3 pointers, FT shooters etc.

Its one thing to lobby for calls and ask questions which most coaches do..but to create a chaos as I saw, really makes our jobs tougher.

I've always wondered whether coaches act differently during the non-officiating camp/2-person portion of these tournaments. Not to say they're always angels during the 3-person segment but I've suspected they behave better during the camp because more people are watching them.

I'd like to think having the extra official and having college-level officials makes a difference but I know that's a pipe dream

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I've always wondered whether coaches act differently during the non-officiating camp/2-person portion of these tournaments. Not to say they're always angels during the 3-person segment but I've suspected they behave better during the camp because more people are watching them.

I'd like to think having the extra official and having college-level officials makes a difference but I know that's a pipe dream

There is a D2 Camp that I have attended for the last few years. The camp consists of 3 Person and most officials have some college experience and in some cases there are D1 officials in attendance as well. There has to be about 3 or 4 coaches every year that are thrown out of games at this camp. And just about everyone that attends the camp can referee their behind off.

I also know a few HS conference assignors that refuse to use AAU tournaments as a camp for this very reason. AAU coaches have no accountability and often act like because they paid some money they are entitled to act complete jerks while trying to play coach for a weekend.

The type of things I dealt with this weekend you almost never see during a HS/college season. Oh well, I am glad the summer season is over.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

AAU coaches have no accountability.

How true. No athletic director. No principal. No school superintendent. No school board.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

The coaches like to create Chaos and commotion by doubting calls made including posession, 3 pointers, FT shooters etc.

Its one thing to lobby for calls and ask questions which most coaches do..but to create a chaos as I saw, really makes our jobs tougher.

What exactly do you expect? The intensity is ratcheted up for these types of tourneys, and the coaches want to win. This is what separates the men from the boys in being able to handle these types of coaches in these types of scenarios. Perhaps you're not ready for this level of play if this bothers you.

[tref]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

One More Ahhha moment from AAU Tourney...

The coaches like to create Chaos and commotion by doubting calls made including posession, 3 pointers, FT shooters etc.

Its one thing to lobby for calls and ask questions which most coaches do..but to create a chaos as I saw, really makes our jobs tougher.

It doesnt have to make our jobs tougher. We have tools to deal with summer fools!

Remember, what we permit, we promote.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is a D2 Camp that I have attended for the last few years. The camp consists of 3 Person and most officials have some college experience and in some cases there are D1 officials in attendance as well. There has to be about 3 or 4 coaches every year that are thrown out of games at this camp. And just about everyone that attends the camp can referee their behind off.

I also know a few HS conference assignors that refuse to use AAU tournaments as a camp for this very reason. AAU coaches have no accountability and often act like because they paid some money they are entitled to act complete jerks while trying to play coach for a weekend.

The type of things I dealt with this weekend you almost never see during a HS/college season. Oh well, I am glad the summer season is over.

Peace

So much for that

Do the observers step in at the D2 camp if things get way out of hand? I know at the AAU-based camp I attend if a coach was to truly get nutty - e.g., gets booted but won't leave - the observers will step in so we can get the game going. Not that it has happened (that I can recall) but the potential is there.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Do the observers step in at the D2 camp if things get way out of hand? I know at the AAU-based camp I attend if a coach was to truly get nutty - e.g., gets booted but won't leave - the observers will step in so we can get the game going. Not that it has happened (that I can recall) but the potential is there.

Just got back from a camp & we were told to put 1 minute on the clock & if the ejected coach wasnt gone when it hit triple zeros...ballgame.
They clinicians werent stepping in though, we were expected to handle our own biz.

Funny story - Coach (with a mohawk) gets tossed on the first day of camp, pulls the Im not leaving routine & a minute goes up.
AC says: You gotta go or we lose.
HC goes out in the hallway and abuses a large, filled trash can.
Janitor walks up to him with a broom & dustpan in one hand while pushing the mop bucket with the other hand.
Coach says: I'm sorry.
Janitor says: Oh dont be sorry, we all get squirly from tyyyme to tyyyme. Besides, I aint cleaning up this BS, here ya go, get to it. And walks off.

The entire crew got kudos & giveaways at the social.