Carry, or No Call?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

If a player is "about" to gain an advantage by carrying the ball, but its stolen prior to the violation, who does our whistle put at a disadvantage?

Good question, but the ball wasn't stolen. She was continuing her dribble and would have gone around the defender. The ball was deflected only slightly, and the defender was leaning the wrong way.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good question, but the ball wasn't stolen. She was continuing her dribble and would have gone around the defender. The ball was deflected only slightly, and the defender was leaning the wrong way.

Sounds like a nasty position to be in, officiating-wise.
Thank God "I'm not a good womens official" keeps me off of those games for the most part.

[MD Longhorn]

Seems to me this is a no-call. It's only a travel if the player takes too many steps while the ball is in the hand. It's only an illegal dribble when it comes back up into their hand - which it did not, directly.

The fact that B did not complete the steal of the ball is immaterial - I'd have no call in either case.

[just another ref]

The touch by the opponent is not relevant to the dribble unless it causes a loss of control. Did it? Even it it did, if the touch occurs after the release, which is the start of the second dribble, it is still a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The touch by the opponent is not relevant to the dribble unless it causes a loss of control. Did it? Even it it did, if the touch occurs after the release, which is the start of the second dribble, it is still a violation.

Agree.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

seems to me this is a no-call. It's only a travel if the player takes too many steps while the ball is in the hand. It's only an illegal dribble when it comes back up into their hand - which it did not, directly.

The fact that b did not complete the steal of the ball is immaterial - i'd have no call in either case.

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Seems to me this is a no-call. It's only a travel if the player takes too many steps while the ball is in the hand. It's only an illegal dribble when it comes back up into their hand - which it did not, directly.

The fact that B did not complete the steal of the ball is immaterial - I'd have no call in either case.

Actually, it did come back to her hand, directly. 1. B1's contact did not alter the ball, and it happened while the ball was in A1's hand. This sort of contact would not grant a player a new dribble, so why should it absolve her of the carry?

My whistle was, perhaps, early, but I don't think it was incorrect.

[tref]

Originally Posted by jump stop

If the player catches dribble by putting hand under ball (i.e. carries) and then pushes ball out of hand to floor there is no violation unless player touches ball after release. Who is to say player wasn't going to pass ball??
So I have no call.

As jar mentioned earlier:

Originally Posted by just another ref

Most of the time, a pass and the start of a dribble look nothing alike.

The rulebook definition of a dribble & when it begins doesnt support your ruling on this play either. 4-15 Art 1 & 3 in particular.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My whistle was, perhaps, early, but I don't think it was incorrect.

That's what we all say! The CC as well as the easy out here should've a defensive foul for reaching

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Seems to me this is a no-call. It's only a travel if the player takes too many steps while the ball is in the hand. It's only an illegal dribble when it comes back up into their hand - which it did not, directly.

The fact that B did not complete the steal of the ball is immaterial - I'd have no call in either case.

+2
If the player catches dribble by putting hand under ball (i.e. carries) and then pushes ball out of hand to floor there is no violation unless player touches ball after release. Who is to say player wasn't going to pass ball??
So I have no call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Seems to me this is a no-call. It's only a travel if the player takes too many steps while the ball is in the hand. It's only an illegal dribble when it comes back up into their hand - which it did not, directly.

The fact that B did not complete the steal of the ball is immaterial - I'd have no call in either case.

The touch by B doesn't give A a new dribble unless A lost control of the ball as part of it. A no call is not an option.

[just another ref]

A second touch is not necessary to constitute a dribble. Read the definition:

......a player pushes the ball to the floor, once or several times......

See the play, judge the action, then make the call if necessary.