Rebounding action/ out-of bounds

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, he was wondering whether you would call the airborne held ball, or call B1 OOB and give the ball to A. I stand by my original answer, OOB.

Thanks Snaqwells. I didn't catch that.

It may be possible that an official may deem the "double possession" to have occurred before B1 had touched out of bounds, but that pushing the limits of the rule.

NFHS 4-25: A held ball occurs when: Opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.

Without actually seeing it, I'm sticking with B1 out of bounds. Team A ball on the endline.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks Snaqwells. I didn't catch that.

It may be possible that an official may deem the "double possession" to have occurred before B1 had touched out of bounds, but that pushing the limits of the rule.

NFHS 4-25: A held ball occurs when: Opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.

Without actually seeing it, I'm sticking with B1 out of bounds. Team A ball on the endline.

Same here. The element missing in the OP for a held ball - without seeing a play, of course - is the "without undue roughness" part. It sounds as though both go up, both grab the ball and both come down without getting into some mid-air wrestling match. In that case just go with the OOB.

The horizontal version would be A1 & B1 diving for a ball on the floor near the endline/sideline and as both grab it at the same time A1 has a body part OOB. The ball is OOB off A1.

[just another ref]

In reality, I can see where out of bounds would often be the call. However, in the OP it is a given that both players are "securely holding the ball" while still airborne. With this in mind, is held ball a possible legitimate call?

yes

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In reality, I can see where out of bounds would often be the call. However, in the OP it is a given that both players are "securely holding the ball" while still airborne. With this in mind, is held ball a possible legitimate call?

yes

I suppose it's technically possible, but (and maybe it's just me), I'm not determining whether the ball can't be controlled w/o undue roughness that quickly at any level except girls 7th grade "C" ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I suppose it's technically possible, but (and maybe it's just me), I'm not determining whether the ball can't be controlled w/o undue roughness that quickly at any level except girls 7th grade "C" ball.

I'll give it to them just because they were able to both get the ball in the air at the same time. Rare enough event, I'm going to the arrow on that one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In reality, I can see where out of bounds would often be the call. However, in the OP it is a given that both players are "securely holding the ball" while still airborne. With this in mind, is held ball a possible legitimate call?

yes

Which is why I allowed for the possibility, but I normally (except low level girls games where both players just give up once two sets of hands touch the ball) require some action that shows me that neither player can get the ball free without undue force. That's virtually impossible to do while airborne.

Although Nevadaref's example is one which I normally call a HB rather than a foul, so I'm rethinking this.

The play I normally see is a defender gets his hand on the ball and moves to try to get a better grip; but by moving steps OOB.

[stiffler3492]

Three seconds is a long time. If three seconds passes before we call a held ball, someone's likely to exclaim "Someone's going to get hurt!"

I wouldn't wait that long, and I don't think there's a time requirement. Two me, if two players from opposite teams are trying to wrest control away from one another and can't in one try, I've got a held ball.

I'd rather have a held ball too early than too late.