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Homey Don't Play That Game ...
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Rob1968: Are you implying that a player who is touching a ball that is touching another player, who happens to be out of bounds, that the inbounds player is also out of bounds, and that this should be treated as two players who knock a ball out of bounds at the same time (held ball)? No. Only B1 is out of bounds. Team A ball on the endline. Keeping it simple makes this call easy peasey lemon squeezy.
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If both players are securely holding the ball while airborne, why would you not go with the held ball?
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Ain't Nothing Like A Thick Plot ...
Ah ha, the plot thickens.
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That's pretty hard to do in the short time they're airborne, and even harder without the leverage of their feet on the floor.
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Usually there's a time element before calling a held ball. I can't imagine the period from which two players are airborne, hold onto the ball, then return to the floor as being long enough to decide whether they "have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness," though in theory it could happen.
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Who You Gonna Call ???
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![]() A held ball occurs when opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.
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I don't call Adam and Jamie every time my Mom or son says something stupid.
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But Ol' Man River, He's Rollin' Along ...
C'mon Snaqwells? You're a veteran. You've never heard a player, coach, or fan, ask why the "jumpball" was called when the players only held onto it for a second? Many seem to think that two, or even, three seconds, is required. I guess that you haven't worked as many recreation, travel, and middle school games as I have over the past thirty-one years. You are right about one thing, I very seldom hear this misconception in a high school game.
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Subtlety Is Not My Forté ...
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It may be possible that an official may deem the "double possession" to have occurred before B1 had touched out of bounds, but that pushing the limits of the rule. NFHS 4-25: A held ball occurs when: Opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness. Without actually seeing it, I'm sticking with B1 out of bounds. Team A ball on the endline.
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The horizontal version would be A1 & B1 diving for a ball on the floor near the endline/sideline and as both grab it at the same time A1 has a body part OOB. The ball is OOB off A1.
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In reality, I can see where out of bounds would often be the call. However, in the OP it is a given that both players are "securely holding the ball" while still airborne. With this in mind, is held ball a possible legitimate call?
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I suppose it's technically possible, but (and maybe it's just me), I'm not determining whether the ball can't be controlled w/o undue roughness that quickly at any level except girls 7th grade "C" ball.
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