What's the Call?

[Adam]

NFHS rules:

Situation 1:

A1 is dribbling the ball, loses his balance and begins to fall.

As he's falling, he attempts to maintain his dribble, but ends up trapping the ball against the floor just before landing on his side.

Travel?

Situation 2:
A1 gets a rebound and starts his shooting motion. A2 loses his balance and falls into his teammate, A1. Official blows the whistle for a foul. A1 releases his try and it's successful.

Official then realizes his mistake and declares an accidental whistle.

Count the basket?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

NFHS rules:

Situation 1:

A1 is dribbling the ball, loses his balance and begins to fall.

As he's falling, he attempts to maintain his dribble, but ends up trapping the ball against the floor just before landing on his side.

Travel?

Situation 2:
A1 gets a rebound and starts his shooting motion. A2 loses his balance and falls into his teammate, A1. Official blows the whistle for a foul. A1 releases his try and it's successful.

Official then realizes his mistake and declares an accidental whistle.

Count the basket?

#1. No. I don't consider a player to be holding the ball when it is trapped between his hand and the floor..

#2. No...by rule, the ball became dead at the whistle since there was no foul by the defense involved. A's ball for the IW.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

#1. No. I don't consider a player to be holding the ball when it is trapped between his hand the floor..

#2. No...by rule, the ball became dead at the whistle since there was no foul by the defense involved. A1' ball for the IW.

I agree with Camron.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A2 loses his balance and falls into his teammate, A1. Official blows the whistle for a foul.

This can really happen. I've whistled this type of foul twice in thirty one years.

[bainsey]

#1 If you pinned the ball to the floor and requested a time out, you won't get it. Pinning the ball to the floor is not control. No control, no travel.

#2 There's got to be something under the realm of advantage/disadvantage that would allow the shot to count. Thoughts?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

#2 There's got to be something under the realm of advantage/disadvantage that would allow the shot to count. Thoughts?

Yo might be able to get away with doing something like that but it wouldn't be correct under the rules.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

#2 There's got to be something under the realm of advantage/disadvantage that would allow the shot to count. Thoughts?

It would be the "fair" thing to do...to count the basket, but as Camron alluded to, by rule, you'd be wrong by rule.

[JetMetFan]

Agree with CR. No control falling to the floor in #1. No continuous motion in #2...basically, take the contact out of the equation and you have an IW with A1 holding the ball.

[Adam]

Both of these happened in my games this weekend. I was L when T called #1 a travel. The C agreed with the call (he and I talked after the game.) While I could follow the logic, I disagreed with it.

On #2, we ended up counting the basket. I know, by rule, it was not the right call, but it certainly wasn't worth even having a discussion. The firestorm that would have followed would not have been worth it.

I'm curious about what our rules guru will say about #1.