Free throw vioation questions

[davecasper]

During a game today a violation was called during a freethrow that I'd never seen. The team member of the FT shooter had one foot inside the marks, but one of his feet was back (kind a like a stance kids starting a distance race take). He wasn't in the lane too early, but the official waived it off because of his back foot being illegally positioned. Anyone know what the max distance is that a player can have his furthest foot away from lane?

[APG]

Originally Posted by davecasper

During a game today a violation was called during a freethrow that I'd never seen. The team member of the FT shooter had one foot inside the marks, but one of his feet was back (kind a like a stance kids starting a distance race take). He wasn't in the lane too early, but the official waived it off because of his back foot being illegally positioned. Anyone know what the max distance is that a player can have his furthest foot away from lane?

The marked lane space is 3 feet.

[Raymond]

The NFHS put in a rule a couple years ago in regards to how players' feet can be positioned in relation to the lane line, nobody ever enforced it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The NFHS put in a rule a couple years ago in regards to how players' feet can be positioned in relation to the lane line, nobody ever enforced it.

BNF:



Just what in the Sam Hill are you talking about? There is not such rule in the NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's Rules as to how a player in one of the marked lane spaces can position their feet except that they have to be within the confines of the lane space and that NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules for over fifty (50) years and that goes back to the NBCUSC days. The FIBA Rules have been the same also because the NAGWS (women's college in 'The Ancient Day') Rules which were base upon FIBA Rules.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BNF:



Just what in the Sam Hill are you talking about? There is not such rule in the NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's Rules as to how a player in one of the marked lane spaces can position their feet except that they have to be within the confines of the lane space and that NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules for over fifty (50) years and that goes back to the NBCUSC days. The FIBA Rules have been the same also because the NAGWS (women's college in 'The Ancient Day') Rules which were base upon FIBA Rules.

MTD, Sr.

Rule 9, Section 1

Art. 3...After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free thrower:

g. A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone. A player shall position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rule 9, Section 1

Art. 3...After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free thrower:

g. A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone. A player shall position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space.

APG:

To paraphrase President Clinton: Define "near"?

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I don't feel like climbing up into the attic to research this change but to be honest, this has to have been an unannounced grammatical change that I missed because the NCAA Men's/Women's Rules have no such wording. And if it is and unannounced grammatical change, it is one of the most stupid changes that the NFHS Rules Committee has made.

[davecasper]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rule 9, Section 1

Art. 3...After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free thrower:

g. A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone. A player shall position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space.

Obviously I'm not an official and I'm not accustomed to reading rules like this, but I am not understanding this rule at all. "The verticle plane of the outside edge of any lane boundry"? Where would I find this verticle plane?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BNF:



Just what in the Sam Hill are you talking about? There is not such rule in the NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's Rules as to how a player in one of the marked lane spaces can position their feet except that they have to be within the confines of the lane space and that NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules for over fifty (50) years and that goes back to the NBCUSC days. The FIBA Rules have been the same also because the NAGWS (women's college in 'The Ancient Day') Rules which were base upon FIBA Rules.

MTD, Sr.

Are you part of the players' suit against the NFL?

Rules changes Posted

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I did not have to climb up into the attic to compare the 2008-09 Rules Book to the 2009-10 Rules Book, nor to read the NFHS (read: Mary Struckhoff, which means do NOT get me started, ) press release of May 11, 2009.

I would also like to thank APG, in his most recent post (Post #15) in this thread for providing a link to the May 2009 thread about the to NFHS R9-S1-A3g. If one reads the thread, I did address this nonsense back then in a post (Post #17), on May 07, 2009. I am getting forgetful, .

Comparing the rule from 2008-09 to 2009-10 the only change to NFHS R9-S1-A3g is in red:

2008-09: "A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone."

2009-10: "A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone. A player shall position one foot near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line. The other foot may be positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space."

The red sentences were not highlighted in gray in the 2009-10 Rules Book.

Mary Struchoff stated that the reason for the change was that "players attempting to leave their positions too early to gain a rebound advantage". If players are leaving early then the officials should be putting air in their whistles and enforce the violations. Do not add a stupid rule.

MTD, Sr.