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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 07:50am
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Travel or "looks bad" video

Why or Why not was this a good call??

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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 08:04am
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Why or Why not was this a good call??
White 22 blocks our view of the ball handler's pivot foot. The lead official, without White 22 blocking his view, must have observed an extra step that we can't see.
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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 09:54am
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Watch his left foot...
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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 10:12am
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Almost a good jump-stop

At first, I thought this must be a bad call, that it was a classic jump-stop, NF 4-44-2 a 3, (control in the air, come down on one foot, followed by landing on both feet simultaneously.)
Then, having watched the video a few more times, I noticed that it appears that he dragged the tip of his right foot, between the landing on the left and the subsequent landing on both.
That would justify the travel call, NF 4-44-2 a 2. If that's what the Lead saw, it was a correct call, IMO.
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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 10:35am
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The official isn't going to call a travel just because it "looks bad". I had a game a few years ago in which coach A kept saying I should "call something" on B1 who was the other team's point guard because when he dribbled, his dribble "looked ugly". I told coach A that if "looking ugly" was against the rules, he wouldn't be allowed in the gym.

We were friends and he just laughed.
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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 10:52am
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I can't tell either way if the call is correct or not due to the quality of the clip.
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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 12:16pm
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I would not have a travel on what I saw.
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Old Sun May 13, 2012, 12:29pm
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You cannot see what he does with the pivot foot from the angle of the camera. The official of course has a different angle. Who knows if he actually got it right or not.

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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 03:59pm
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I would not have a travel on what I saw.
That is my take, I didn't see a violation . Video not the best but looks like good move
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 04:11pm
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Legal play. Left foot is the pivot foot, jumped from it to simultaneouly both feet landing.
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 04:14pm
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Legal play. Left foot is the pivot foot, jumped from it to simultaneouly both feet landing.
The left foot isn't the pivot foot...assuming this is a legal play, and assuming you believe he gathered the ball with the left foot on the floor, the player hasn't established a pivot foot and with him jumping off the foot and landing simultaneously he has no pivot foot.
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 04:33pm
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assuming you believe he gathered the ball with the left foot on the floor....
Right, that's what I have.

So, of course, there's no pivot foot on a jump stop, but prior to the jump, what's a succinct and correct way of saying "the left was the pivot foot" (or is this about tense..."was" as opposed to "is")?
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 05:37pm
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So, of course, there's no pivot foot on a jump stop, but prior to the jump, what's a succinct and correct way of saying "the left was the pivot foot" (or is this about tense..."was" as opposed to "is")?
Looks like bainsey is trying out his Bill Clinton impersonation again.
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 06:02pm
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Right, that's what I have.

So, of course, there's no pivot foot on a jump stop, but prior to the jump, what's a succinct and correct way of saying "the left was the pivot foot" (or is this about tense..."was" as opposed to "is")?
The player gathered the ball/ended his dribble with his left foot on the floor.
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Looks like bainsey is trying out his Bill Clinton impersonation again.
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APG, if the "player gathered the ball/ended his dribble with his left foot on the floor," wouldn't that left foot be the pivot foot (until the jump stop, of course)?
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