Missed Violation (game 6 in Philly)

[Raymond]

Hey APG,

Just around the last 1:00 mark of the Bulls/Sixers game it looked like the Bulls failed to get the ball to the frontcourt w/i 8 seconds. It occurred following a missed shot and rebound.

thanks.

[APG]

Not used to all this NBA talk on the forums haha...I'll have a clip up later.

[APG]

Technically, the play was an 8 second violation...in real time, it's close, so I have no problem with passing on the play.

[ballgame99]

man I must not watch enough NBA, what in the world is an 8 second violation?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

man I must not watch enough NBA, what in the world is an 8 second violation?

A team has 8 seconds, upon gaining team control, to give the ball front court status.

[Raymond]

Thanks APG. By strict enforcement this should have been a violation as Chicago didn't get FC status before the shot clock hit 15.

[onetime1]

I see CJ my man crossing the line around 15.. So pass on the 8 sec call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Technically, the play was an 8 second violation...in real time, it's close, so I have no problem with passing on the play.

Originally Posted by onetime1

I see CJ my man crossing the line around 15.. So pass on the 8 sec call.

I've got the same thing, but I have 3 points across with 15 on the clock. 24-15 = 9, though. That's a violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've got the same thing, but I have 3 points across with 15 on the clock. 24-15 = 9, though. That's a violation.

Negative...15 is the new "magic" number for 8 second violation as they changed the way the shot clock counts down initially...last year, a fresh 24 clock really meant 24.9 seconds...this year, with the rule change mandating tenths of a second show with 5 or less on the shot clock, they changed the clock so that when it counts down initially, it shows 23 right away. With that change, the magic number had to be changed from 16 to 15 to allow a full 8 seconds to advance the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Negative...15 is the new "magic" number for 8 second violation as they changed the way the shot clock counts down initially...last year, a fresh 24 clock really meant 24.9 seconds...this year, with the rule change mandating tenths of a second show with 5 or less on the shot clock, they changed the clock so that when it counts down initially, it shows 23 right away. With that change, the magic number had to be changed from 16 to 15 to allow a full 8 seconds to advance the ball.

That explains why it's not a violation when he's at the 3 pt line in the backcourt. But the clock hits 15 before he gets the 3rd point across.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That explains why it's not a violation when he's at the 3 pt line in the backcourt. But the clock hits 15 before he gets the 3rd point across.

Which is why I said it was technically a violation. I was just addressing why it's a violation at 15 rather than 16 (which is was last year).

[tmagan]

You want another violation: There was a lane violation on the last free throw by Philadelphia on Asik's last free throw in the final seconds.

[APG]

Originally Posted by tmagan

You want another violation: There was a lane violation on the last free throw by Philadelphia on Asik's last free throw in the final seconds.

That's not a violation (on the guy entering in from outside the 3 point lane) that's going to be call regardless...unless maybe if the player got the rebound...maybe.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A team has 8 seconds, upon gaining team control, to give the ball front court status.

And to supplement what JR said, a team has 8 "hard" seconds to do so...absent of any defensive fouls, violations, infection control, and/or technical fouls.

[tmagan]

I'm referring to the Philly player on the far side of the court on the outer free throw block nearest the shooter. Admittedly hair-splitting and I wouldn't have called it.