Missed Violation (game 6 in Philly)

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

man I must not watch enough NBA, what in the world is an 8 second violation?

A team has 8 seconds, upon gaining team control, to give the ball front court status.

[Raymond]

Thanks APG. By strict enforcement this should have been a violation as Chicago didn't get FC status before the shot clock hit 15.

[onetime1]

I see CJ my man crossing the line around 15.. So pass on the 8 sec call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Technically, the play was an 8 second violation...in real time, it's close, so I have no problem with passing on the play.

Originally Posted by onetime1

I see CJ my man crossing the line around 15.. So pass on the 8 sec call.

I've got the same thing, but I have 3 points across with 15 on the clock. 24-15 = 9, though. That's a violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've got the same thing, but I have 3 points across with 15 on the clock. 24-15 = 9, though. That's a violation.

Negative...15 is the new "magic" number for 8 second violation as they changed the way the shot clock counts down initially...last year, a fresh 24 clock really meant 24.9 seconds...this year, with the rule change mandating tenths of a second show with 5 or less on the shot clock, they changed the clock so that when it counts down initially, it shows 23 right away. With that change, the magic number had to be changed from 16 to 15 to allow a full 8 seconds to advance the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Negative...15 is the new "magic" number for 8 second violation as they changed the way the shot clock counts down initially...last year, a fresh 24 clock really meant 24.9 seconds...this year, with the rule change mandating tenths of a second show with 5 or less on the shot clock, they changed the clock so that when it counts down initially, it shows 23 right away. With that change, the magic number had to be changed from 16 to 15 to allow a full 8 seconds to advance the ball.

That explains why it's not a violation when he's at the 3 pt line in the backcourt. But the clock hits 15 before he gets the 3rd point across.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That explains why it's not a violation when he's at the 3 pt line in the backcourt. But the clock hits 15 before he gets the 3rd point across.

Which is why I said it was technically a violation. I was just addressing why it's a violation at 15 rather than 16 (which is was last year).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Negative...15 is the new "magic" number for 8 second violation as they changed the way the shot clock counts down initially...last year, a fresh 24 clock really meant 24.9 seconds...this year, with the rule change mandating tenths of a second show with 5 or less on the shot clock, they changed the clock so that when it counts down initially, it shows 23 right away. With that change, the magic number had to be changed from 16 to 15 to allow a full 8 seconds to advance the ball.

I know you know what you think you're saying, but I don't think that was ever true...that it was 24.9. It was 24.0 all the time but the display was rounded up whenever it was without a 10th's display. Thus, it showed 24 all the way down to 23.1 and at 23.0, the clock would drop to 23. When it dropped to 16, it was 16.0.

Now, they round down. So, when it shows 16, it will be between 16.0 and 16.9 and it will only be below 16 when it drops to 15.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know you know what you think you're saying, but I don't think that was ever true...that it was 24.9. It was 24.0 all the time but the display was rounded up whenever it was without a 10th's display. Thus, it showed 24 all the way down to 23.1 and at 23.0, the clock would drop to 23. When it dropped to 16, it was 16.0.

Now, they round down. So, when it shows 16, it will be between 16.0 and 16.9 and it will only be below 16 when it drops to 15.

CR, I agree with the first part of what you said but I don't think the second part is accurate. Check out this video:



Now, ignore the fact someone was geeky enough to shoot video of the 24-second clock but it appears after the reset at 48.9 the shot clock immediately drops to 23 when the game clock starts, meaning the shot clock is reading 23 from 23.9 down to 23.0.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A team has 8 seconds, upon gaining team control, to give the ball front court status.

And to supplement what JR said, a team has 8 "hard" seconds to do so...absent of any defensive fouls, violations, infection control, and/or technical fouls.