First Time For Me

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Last night, working an AAU game, V1 fouls out. Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there.

I'm a little confused. If the substitute for the disqualified player had already reported to the table, then I believe that the team does not get the twenty second "time out", the substitute is simply beckoned onto the court. On the other hand, if the substitute for the disqualified player had not yet reported, then I believe that the coach, even if he has already selected the substitute, has the twenty seconds to make the replacement, whether he is giving instructions, or not. On the other hand (I have three hands), if the twenty second replacement period ends, and the replacement player has not yet reported to the table, then the technical foul is certainly warranted, and in fact encouraged (he's being a jerk), in this situation. A reminder for rookies, the technical foul is charged to the head coach, who now gets to rest his aching feet, and take a seat.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm a little confused. If the substitute for the disqualified player had already reported to the table, then I believe that the team does not get the twenty second "time out", the substitute is simply beckoned onto the court. On the other hand, if the substitute for the disqualified player had not yet reported, then I believe that the coach, even if he has already selected the substitute, has the twenty seconds to make the replacement, whether he is giving instructions, or not. On the other hand (I have three hands), if the twenty second replacement period ends, and the replacement player has not yet reported to the table, then the technical foul is certainly warranted, and in fact encouraged (he's being a dick), in this situation. A reminder for rookies, the technical foul is charged to the head coach, who now gets to rest his aching feet, and take a seat.

Billy, OP says the coach was keeping the sub next to him at the bench. You're correct: if he'd let the kid report Snaqs just beckons him in and the whole situation never develops. Had that been the case I imagine the guy would've said, "Hey, I have a time out to replace my player!" (if I had $1 for every time I've heard that one over the years...)

Snaqs, I'm going to disagree with you on one count: I think he knew he had 20 seconds to replace the DQed player and was just waiting to see if you would ring him up.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm a little confused. If the substitute for the disqualified player had already reported to the table, then I believe that the team does not get the twenty second "time out", the substitute is simply beckoned onto the court. On the other hand, if the substitute for the disqualified player had not yet reported, then I believe that the coach, even if he has already selected the substitute, has the twenty seconds to make the replacement, whether he is giving instructions, or not. On the other hand (I have three hands), if the twenty second replacement period ends, and the replacement player has not yet reported to the table, then the technical foul is certainly warranted, and in fact encouraged (he's being a dick), in this situation. A reminder for rookies, the technical foul is charged to the head coach, who now gets to rest his aching feet, and take a seat.

Nowhere did he say the kid reported to the table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nowhere did he say the kid reported to the table.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there.

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

Billy, allow me to direct you to the penultimate sentence in my OP:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Last night, working an AAU game, V1 fouls out. Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there. I look at the table and he starts his timer. He gives me a horn at 5, then he gives the horn at 20. Sub isn't even moving, per coach's instruction, he's standing right next to him at the bench.

Good grief.

Sorry for any confusion.

[Maineac]

Sounds to me like the coach knew enough about the rule to get himself in trouble. Which took about 21 seconds or so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sorry for any confusion.

Apology accepted.

[JRutledge]

After a wonderful non-issue run of AAU/Travel ball the last few weeks, today I throw out a coach for the first time in some time.

It just amazes me the things these coaches get upset over. I first gave him a T after the coach several times asked for one. Then when I gave him one we never really asked him to sit down (I just did not bother or care at that point) and then when I asked him to get out of the way of the table, more issues he had with that. This coach then request a timeout clearly after I call a double dribble violation. Then after the time out is perplexed that he does not have the ball out of the timeout (his player was not under pressure before the timeout BTW). Then with more antics, I had enough and dumped his behind. The game was over and forfeited as there was no other coach on the bench.

It never ceases to amaze me what these coaches get upset over. And all in the name of, "I like to talk." Good for you, but now the game is over.

Peace

[Adam]

Had a coach today run up the score; won by about 60 or 70. Late in the first half, I hear him asking for a 5 second count (I was only on 4) when they were up by 36 (42-6). I just said, "four," and looked over to see him laughing.

He had one player, at least, who knew the deal. My partner called a foul, and as we're lining up the guilty party started to moan a little bit until his teammate said, "Look at the score. We're good." It was 34-4, and they were still pressing. My partner said the same kid said the same thing to another teammate later.

This game was a layup drill for the winning team.

At half time the winning coach was hovering around the table complaining just loud enough for us to hear about needing to catch up on the point differential (league standings). It was all I could do not to roll my eyes really loudly.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

You really think Snaq would allow the player to report, not enter the game and then assess a T?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You really think Snaq would allow the player to report, not enter the game and then assess a T?

Absolutely not. However, I have had some coaches, and don't we all know how intelligent coaches are, have a substitute report to the table for a disqualified player, and then want to call him back to the bench to either talk to him, or to passively aggressively bust my chops, for twenty seconds. BillyMac don't play that game. I beckon, and if he doesn't immediately enter, it's whack. I'm not "known" for my whacking, but I'll whack here, in a Connecticut second.