First Time For Me

[Adam]

Last night, working an AAU game, V1 fouls out. Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there. I look at the table and he starts his timer. He gives me a horn at 5, then he gives the horn at 20. Sub isn't even moving, per coach's instruction, he's standing right next to him at the bench.

Good grief.

[JetMetFan]

So how fast did the T come after that nonsense?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So how fast did the T come after that nonsense?

As soon as I realized the sub wasn't even moving.

[BktBallRef]

Had a kid elevate and swat one into the beleachers. Then, he went Charles Atlas on me. Whack.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there.

Holding him for instructions, or just holding him? If the latter, for what reason?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Holding him for instructions, or just holding him? If the latter, for what reason?

Does it matter? Sounds like the coach was "trying to make a point"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Holding him for instructions, or just holding him? If the latter, for what reason?

Originally Posted by deecee

Does it matter? Sounds like the coach was "trying to make a point"

Yep. Not instructing at all; just 20 seconds of nothing but, "No, just stay here" to both the sub and the DQ'd player.

The PITA quotient had been rising as the game progressed, and I'd shut him down. This was his way of trying to protest without getting a T.

My guess is he didn't know the rule; thought that I would simply direct his sub into the game after 20 seconds or something.

I assumed he knew the rule because of the way he acted, I could tell he knew I'd have the timer start a 20 second clock.

We both learned something.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Last night, working an AAU game, V1 fouls out. Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there.

I'm a little confused. If the substitute for the disqualified player had already reported to the table, then I believe that the team does not get the twenty second "time out", the substitute is simply beckoned onto the court. On the other hand, if the substitute for the disqualified player had not yet reported, then I believe that the coach, even if he has already selected the substitute, has the twenty seconds to make the replacement, whether he is giving instructions, or not. On the other hand (I have three hands), if the twenty second replacement period ends, and the replacement player has not yet reported to the table, then the technical foul is certainly warranted, and in fact encouraged (he's being a jerk), in this situation. A reminder for rookies, the technical foul is charged to the head coach, who now gets to rest his aching feet, and take a seat.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm a little confused. If the substitute for the disqualified player had already reported to the table, then I believe that the team does not get the twenty second "time out", the substitute is simply beckoned onto the court. On the other hand, if the substitute for the disqualified player had not yet reported, then I believe that the coach, even if he has already selected the substitute, has the twenty seconds to make the replacement, whether he is giving instructions, or not. On the other hand (I have three hands), if the twenty second replacement period ends, and the replacement player has not yet reported to the table, then the technical foul is certainly warranted, and in fact encouraged (he's being a dick), in this situation. A reminder for rookies, the technical foul is charged to the head coach, who now gets to rest his aching feet, and take a seat.

Billy, OP says the coach was keeping the sub next to him at the bench. You're correct: if he'd let the kid report Snaqs just beckons him in and the whole situation never develops. Had that been the case I imagine the guy would've said, "Hey, I have a time out to replace my player!" (if I had $1 for every time I've heard that one over the years...)

Snaqs, I'm going to disagree with you on one count: I think he knew he had 20 seconds to replace the DQed player and was just waiting to see if you would ring him up.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Had a kid elevate and swat one into the beleachers. Then, he went Charles Atlas on me. Whack.

Did someone hack your account?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep. Not instructing at all; just 20 seconds of nothing but, "No, just stay here" to both the sub and the DQ'd player.

The PITA quotient had been rising as the game progressed, and I'd shut him down. This was his way of trying to protest without getting a T.

My guess is he didn't know the rule; thought that I would simply direct his sub into the game after 20 seconds or something.

I assumed he knew the rule because of the way he acted, I could tell he knew I'd have the timer start a 20 second clock.

We both learned something.

Well I guess he sure showed you, didn't he. Put you right in your place...wait. What's that T for??? Oops...guess he didn't know the rule as well as he thought he did. Silly coach.

Not much else you could do Snaqs...he thought he would one-up you and you dealt with it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Did someone hack your account?

Nope. A pic is worth a thousand words in showing you what the kid did.

Of course, the kid's daddy stepped to the edge of the court and yelled, "This is basketball!!" I have no idea WTH that means and promptly told him to take his seat before I had him removed.

I'm sure the kid has no idea who Charles Atlas is.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm a little confused. If the substitute for the disqualified player had already reported to the table, then I believe that the team does not get the twenty second "time out", the substitute is simply beckoned onto the court. On the other hand, if the substitute for the disqualified player had not yet reported, then I believe that the coach, even if he has already selected the substitute, has the twenty seconds to make the replacement, whether he is giving instructions, or not. On the other hand (I have three hands), if the twenty second replacement period ends, and the replacement player has not yet reported to the table, then the technical foul is certainly warranted, and in fact encouraged (he's being a dick), in this situation. A reminder for rookies, the technical foul is charged to the head coach, who now gets to rest his aching feet, and take a seat.

Nowhere did he say the kid reported to the table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nowhere did he say the kid reported to the table.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there.

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

Billy, allow me to direct you to the penultimate sentence in my OP:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Last night, working an AAU game, V1 fouls out. Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there. I look at the table and he starts his timer. He gives me a horn at 5, then he gives the horn at 20. Sub isn't even moving, per coach's instruction, he's standing right next to him at the bench.

Good grief.

Sorry for any confusion.