Jeff Van Gundy on "Flopping"

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are right that the rule does not specify really what it means, just like the rules does not say what is profanity. And until rules makers get specific like they have with other issues (like pulling out a jersey) then you will have different interpretations on what it is or when it takes placePeace

This is exactly what Jeff Van Gundy was saying...until "they" (the NBA, NCAA, NFHS) decide they want to put a stop to it, it will continue.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

As I said, players try to fake/embellish or make the contact seem worse but still are fouled. And until there is a standard that we all can agree on, then I will disagree with you that a fake is simply a fake. I have yet to see anyone call a T or penalize this at any level. And that is why I said that JVG was over the top in his outrage and has never had to make a single call in his life to know what he is asking and how to apply those rules. He needs to get over himself and stop being a drama queen about something that is not tragic to the game even if you think it happens too often.
Peace

It's NOT Jeff Van Gundy who is the drama queen....IT'S ALL THE FLOPPERS who are the drama queens!

You seem to think that 1+2=4....It you agree that embellishing contact to draw a foul (when no foul is warranted) is a flop, and flopping happens often, and nobody calls a T for flopping because of the rule, then why won't "they" change the rule?.....because "they" do not see anything wrong with it OR to put it another way - "they" are fine with flopping.

It's pretty simple...1+2=3.

[reffish]

Is the reason the T is not called on all this faking is the penalty is too harsh? Maybe the penalty can be changed to a violation, i.e. the excessive elbows penalty. That may increase the calls on faking and flopping on the court and rid this rancid display of crap basketball. JMHO.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by reffish

Is the reason the T is not called on all this faking is the penalty is too harsh? Maybe the penalty can be changed to a violation, i.e. the excessive elbows penalty. That may increase the calls on faking and flopping on the court and rid this rancid display of crap basketball. JMHO.

If it was a violation, what would the penalty be?

[reffish]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If it was a violation, what would the penalty be?

Penalty, award ball to opponent nearest spot of violation of flopping. Mechanic could be...not sure on that one yet.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by reffish

Penalty, award ball to opponent nearest spot of violation of flopping. Mechanic could be...not sure on that one yet.

A1 blows by B1. B1 flops. You stop the game and award the ball out of bounds?

Don't think so.

[reffish]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A1 blows by B1. B1 flops. You stop the game and award the ball out of bounds?

Don't think so.

Well, the penalty for "faking being fouled" is a player technical and penalty is two free throws and ball for division line throw-in. Are you going to call the technical on B1 flop?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by reffish

Well, the penalty for "faking being fouled" is a player technical and penalty is two free throws and ball for division line throw-in. Are you going to call the technical on B1 flop?

I personally have never made this call, have seen it a few times, none recently.

My point is, if you make this a violation, it won't work at all. This would actually help the defense. If your man beats you, flop. The play stops and they take it out of bounds.