Call on the court = Block. Your opinion?

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess it depends on the official and what you live by. I do not think the block/charge call is that difficult at all. I think it is usually an easy call if you watch the right things.

Peace

That's funny, because the other thread "Call on the Floor = PC is basically the same thing and you got it wrong too.

In both cases the defender is moving forward and into the offense, this time the L started to show...she learned her lesson and was really slow in the C-ship game to avoid the BLARGE

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

That's funny, because the other thread "Call on the Floor = PC is basically the same thing and you got it wrong too.

In both cases the defender is moving forward and into the offense, this time the L started to show...she learned her lesson and was really slow in the C-ship game to avoid the BLARGE

What did I get wrong? I was not on the floor making these calls. And you can disagree and that is fine by me, but the other play in question the player took the contact in the chest and basically was waiting on the ball handler. Her body and feet where in front of the ball handler, that is a PC foul all the way IMO. The ball handler was also not really airborne when the contact occurred either.

Peace

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What did I get wrong? I was not on the floor making these calls. And you can disagree and that is fine by me, but the other play in question the player took the contact in the chest and basically was waiting on the ball handler. Her body and feet where in front of the ball handler, that is a PC foul all the way IMO. The ball handler was also not really airborne when the contact occurred either.

Peace

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

You should have been here years ago when Nevada really dug into Rut.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

I do not think I am wrong on either play. Are both very close? Yes they are, but that does not mean I am wrong either. And both players are not moving at the time of contact, one stops and both contacts are not the same as one was not even an airborne shooter when the contact occurs. They ended up in the air, but not when they hit the defender in the chest. But maybe Golf is your game, not basketball.

Do not get mad at me because I gave you crap about your little confusing OT post. There were others that were confused by your little post about golf and said so. There is even more disagreement about these plays for all kinds of reasons and point of views. So there is nothing to admit to when people back and forth disagree like should be expected when a video is shown. And considering that almost everyone watching considered both PC fouls, I wonder why you are not going off on them about their opinion. Hmmmmmmm.

Peace

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think I am wrong on either play. Are both very close? Yes they are, but that does not mean I am wrong either. And both players are not moving at the time of contact, one stops and both contacts are not the same as one was not even an airborne shooter when the contact occurs. They ended up in the air, but not when they hit the defender in the chest. But maybe Golf is your game, not basketball.

Do not get mad at me because I gave you crap about your little confusing OT post. There were others that were confused by your little post about golf and said so. There is even more disagreement about these plays for all kinds of reasons and point of views. So there is nothing to admit to when people back and forth disagree like should be expected when a video is shown. And considering that almost everyone watching considered both PC fouls, I wonder why you are not going off on them about their opinion. Hmmmmmmm.

Peace

Both players momentum are carrying the defenders into the offensive players at the time of contact, neither has established LGP. Obviously, basketball is not your game.

Not mad and really don't care, it doesn't bother me that you didn't like the golf video stuff, understand its not for everyone - nuff said. What I don't like is that you come in here saying you do this and you do that, or you don't do this or that and I called you on it, it was proven to you and you didn't like it.

You tell people that you are college official that subscribes to many of the philosophies being employed the last several years, but when 2 nearly identical plays are displayed you go against those very philosophies. If you are trying to educate others, the least you can do is be consistent.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Both players momentum are carrying the defenders into the offensive players at the time of contact, neither has established LGP. Obviously, basketball is not your game.

I bet you there are people where I live wish that basketball was not my game either.

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Not mad and really don't care, it doesn't bother me that you didn't like the golf video stuff, understand its not for everyone - nuff said. What I don't like is that you come in here saying you do this and you do that, or you don't do this or that and I called you on it, it was proven to you and you didn't like it.

What was I proven wrong about? Again if you disagree with my take on the calls that is fine. But you do realize that there are others that agreed with me and others that disagreed with me on both of these plays (Probably too stupid to realize that, but then again you did not say the others were wrong). Again what I say seems to bother you a lot based on this comment alone. If I admit something or do not admit something that you want me to, not much in your life is going to change unless of course you do not have much of a life in the first place. Literally until the previous conversation about your golf post, I really did not even know you existed on this site at all. You are not someone that has contributed a lot to this site in my opinion, you are not someone's opinion that I all of a sudden respect and not someone that has the demeanor to be an official if my words, a guy you will never meet and likely never work with bothers you that much.

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You tell people that you are college official that subscribes to many of the philosophies being employed the last several years, but when 2 nearly identical plays are displayed you go against those very philosophies. If you are trying to educate others, the least you can do is be consistent.

The two plays are not identical and just because you say so does not make them so. If you knew anything about officiating you would realize that not too many plays in a game or on video are identical. I did not just star reviewing video on this site. These plays are certainly similar, but not the exact same and have different elements to how the contact took place and did not take place. I am not trying to do anything either, I took a position on the plays and just like anyone they can disagree. There is after all reasons that some guys work college ball and others work JH and complain about their schedules too. I know NBA and NCAA officials that people here and elsewhere would not agree with (and haven't when their words were posted here), so why would I think I am so special to believe that everyone would agree with me? What you need to do is stop worrying about my opinion and worry about why you are where you are in your career. Then maybe and only then you will understand anything about me. After this conversation I will not even think about what you have to say because like the rest of your comments here are irrelevant to me and probably many others reading them.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Obviously, basketball is not your game.

This is going to get good. Let the "fun" begin.

[JRutledge]

No, 7whateverhisfreakinnameis is a non-MF factor. He knows it and why he is trying to make name for himself by going after me. I am done with his punk ***.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

You do realize that other people agreed with a blocking foul as well right?

And unless you're assigning games for JRut or anyone else, you saying the judgement was wrong does not make it so.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You do realize that other people agreed with a blocking foul as well right?

And unless you're assigning games for JRut or anyone else, you saying the judgement was wrong does not make it so.

And he is probably too simple minded to realize that most people (at least early on) in this thread said this was a PC foul.

He is just a troll trying to make a name for himself here.

Peace

[Raymond]

This play and the other play are not identical. I have a Block on this play without much hesitation. The other play is a lot more 50/50 in my book.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And he is probably too simple minded to realize that most people (at least early on) in this thread said this was a PC foul.

He is just a troll trying to make a name for himself here.

Peace

You have revealed yourself for what you are Putzledge. I can name call too.

What an egomaniac! You are just like the elder statesmen of officials around here. You say one thing and then do another and when called on it you resort to name calling and other tired BS. To say that I am trying to make a name for myself at your expense, well that is your ego getting in the way.

I don't need to make a name for myself or care what you think. Everyone around here knows how much you like to have the last word, so it is doubtful you will let it go. Just another old timer the game has passed by.

And if you think I am a troll (which I am not), then you took the bait.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You have revealed yourself for what you are Putzledge. I can name call too.

What an egomaniac! You are just like the elder statesmen of officials around here. You say one thing and then do another and when called on it you resort to name calling and other tired BS. To say that I am trying to make a name for myself at your expense, well that is your ego getting in the way.

I don't need to make a name for myself or care what you think. Everyone around here knows how much you like to have the last word, so it is doubtful you will let it go. Just another old timer the game has passed by.

And if you think I am a troll (which I am not), then you took the bait.

Wow, reading this post was as useless as watching the golf video. Is there a reason you are speaking for "everyone"?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

7IronRef:

What videos were you watching? And listen up whippersnapper, when you have officiated at the level some of us have the number of years we have then you can take can get snippy with us old codgers (Rut, I apologize for calling you an old codger, but I know you understand the point I making.).

MTD, Sr.