Call on the court = Block. Your opinion?

[JRutledge]

I have a block on this play. The defender never stops and is coming forward toward the shooter.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Block in real time. Too close to reverse it in slow mo...and Doris Burke actually said something accurate for a change..."This is the hardest call in basketball...any official will tell you that"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Block in real time. Too close to reverse it in slow mo...and Doris Burke actually said something accurate for a change..."This is the hardest call in basletball...any official will tell you that"

I guess it depends on the official and what you live by. I do not think the block/charge call is that difficult at all. I think it is usually an easy call if you watch the right things.

Peace

[fullor30]

Block.......

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess it depends on the official and what you live by. I do not think the block/charge call is that difficult at all. I think it is usually an easy call if you watch the right things.

Peace

I agree, block / charge is not the most difficult call, especially if you get in good position to officiate the play.

In this case, defender moved laterally to get to a spot before contact to the torso. All the makings of a good ol' fashion player control foul. While the mechanic might be for the C to have this, the lead was in much better position to see the defender. $.02

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess it depends on the official and what you live by. I do not think the block/charge call is that difficult at all. I think it is usually an easy call if you watch the right things.

Peace

That's funny, because the other thread "Call on the Floor = PC is basically the same thing and you got it wrong too.

In both cases the defender is moving forward and into the offense, this time the L started to show...she learned her lesson and was really slow in the C-ship game to avoid the BLARGE

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

That's funny, because the other thread "Call on the Floor = PC is basically the same thing and you got it wrong too.

In both cases the defender is moving forward and into the offense, this time the L started to show...she learned her lesson and was really slow in the C-ship game to avoid the BLARGE

What did I get wrong? I was not on the floor making these calls. And you can disagree and that is fine by me, but the other play in question the player took the contact in the chest and basically was waiting on the ball handler. Her body and feet where in front of the ball handler, that is a PC foul all the way IMO. The ball handler was also not really airborne when the contact occurred either.

Peace

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What did I get wrong? I was not on the floor making these calls. And you can disagree and that is fine by me, but the other play in question the player took the contact in the chest and basically was waiting on the ball handler. Her body and feet where in front of the ball handler, that is a PC foul all the way IMO. The ball handler was also not really airborne when the contact occurred either.

Peace

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

You should have been here years ago when Nevada really dug into Rut.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

I do not think I am wrong on either play. Are both very close? Yes they are, but that does not mean I am wrong either. And both players are not moving at the time of contact, one stops and both contacts are not the same as one was not even an airborne shooter when the contact occurs. They ended up in the air, but not when they hit the defender in the chest. But maybe Golf is your game, not basketball.

Do not get mad at me because I gave you crap about your little confusing OT post. There were others that were confused by your little post about golf and said so. There is even more disagreement about these plays for all kinds of reasons and point of views. So there is nothing to admit to when people back and forth disagree like should be expected when a video is shown. And considering that almost everyone watching considered both PC fouls, I wonder why you are not going off on them about their opinion. Hmmmmmmm.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

You do realize that other people agreed with a blocking foul as well right?

And unless you're assigning games for JRut or anyone else, you saying the judgement was wrong does not make it so.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Just keep doing what you typically do, twist things just enough to get off the subject and divert attention from your incorrect rulings.

It's ok to admit your mistakes, learn from it and improve.

7IronRef:

What videos were you watching? And listen up whippersnapper, when you have officiated at the level some of us have the number of years we have then you can take can get snippy with us old codgers (Rut, I apologize for calling you an old codger, but I know you understand the point I making.).

MTD, Sr.

[Camron Rust]

(liberal use of editing in the quotes below)

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow...I thought listening to my 7th graders argue about who was better at bump on the playground was tiring... (snip)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When you have trolls on this site, this happens. At some point people have to be willing to state their opinion and live with it. (snip)

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Yet you still keep commenting, because you know my name, and you cannot let it go. I am in your dome
(snip)
The reality is that we disagreed on the play(s) which is what referee's do. With this group the play is basically 50-50.

What is REALLY funny is that the two actually agreed on the play. ...

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have a block on this play. The defender never stops and is coming forward toward the shooter.

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You rendered your decisions on both calls, and your judgment is incorrect on both. You called one a block and the other a PC. Yes, these are your opinions on both calls, but in both plays the defense is moving into the path of the shooter. In both cases you got it wrong, especially if you subscribe to the teachings of the NCAA, which you claim you do.

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

In both cases the defender is moving forward and into the offense, this time the L started to show...she learned her lesson and was really slow in the C-ship game to avoid the BLARGE

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

If you want to whip out resume's, fine by me. I am pretty sure mine is longer and fatter

This is probably the longest argument I've seen where the two sides didn't realize they had actually agreed. It really looks like ONE of the two was more intent on attacking the other rather than discussing the play. Fore!

[JetMetFan]

This is probably the longest argument I've seen where the two sides didn't realize they had actually agreed. It really looks like ONE of the two was more intent on attacking the other rather than discussing the play. Fore!

Thanks, CR. I'd lost track of who had what opinion.

So I guess that means their disagreement is about the other block/charge play I posted from this game. Maybe I should move their whole string into that post?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What is REALLY funny is that the two actually agreed on the play. ...


This is probably the longest argument I've seen where the two sides didn't realize they had actually agreed. It really looks like ONE of the two was more intent on attacking the other rather than discussing the play. Fore!

Actually I have to correct the record a little. You were kind of there but not totally complete in your references.

He was upset that I did not think that both plays that were posted were not seen the exact same and rule both were blocks that JetMetFan posted on the same day. I said one play was a block and the other was a charge. He claimed they were exactly the same and I should have ruled both blocks. He even suggested that the defenders did the exact same thing at the time of contact. Then two regular posters called him on that fact and instead of addressing their comments, he went after me again. My position was the both plays were not the same and why I felt one was a block (I believe in this thread) and the other play was a charge. And then he suggested that someone in their 30s is over the hill and needs to stop officiating, but if I recall this is a person that just started working college ball of any kind and asked a question about what to do in a college situation. I guess because I did not just start working college ball a year ago I am over the hill (sorry but that was the funniest insult). If being in your 30s makes you over the hill, and then most of the officials I work with must be decrepit as most are older than me by more than a few years. And these are very successful officials I am talking about. Most officials younger than me have not broken in to varsity ball or if they work college they are just getting started.

I am glad everyone in entertained but this was funny to me, because I was not talking to him at all in this thread until I was addressed. I do not back down from trolls like this.

Peace