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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 04:57pm
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There's more than those two options. If he fumbled it, he would be allowed to retrieve it, and an IW would revert to the team in control. If he shot it, he could retrieve it, but an IW would go to the arrow. If he purposefully released it without trying for goal (my judgment on this play), then he can not retrieve it or even be the first to touch it; and an IW should go to the team with control.

No way this is a shot or a fumble. It's just a bad pass.
Snaq's I agree with you that it was purposefully released, after realizing he was about to be swatted, but a pass? to whom? Everyone on his team is crashing the boards.

If he jumps up to shoot and just drops the ball (intentionally) then what do you got? I don't have a fumble or a pass but a bad shot.

I guess that is why I agreed with the call. But I see your logic too.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 05:11pm
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Snaq's I agree with you that it was purposefully released, after realizing he was about to be swatted, but a pass? to whom? Everyone on his team is crashing the boards.

If he jumps up to shoot and just drops the ball (intentionally) then what do you got? I don't have a fumble or a pass but a bad shot.

I guess that is why I agreed with the call. But I see your logic too.
It's not a try for goal, so I can't give him that. It's not a fumble, so I can't give him that. It's not a dribble. The only other option is a bad pass. He looks like he's hoping a teammate gets to it first.

If you consider this a shot, then you have to let him retrieve it. The case play is specific that this is not allowed.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 05:17pm
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It's not a dribble.
Snaqs, actually it could be considered a dribble since A1 put the ball on the floor. Regardless, both a dribble and a pass are covered under 4-44-3b.
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Snags, actually it could be considered a dribble since A1 put the ball on the floor. Regardless, both a dribble and a pass are covered under 4-44-3b.
You're right (except there's no G in my interwebs name). It could be a dribble, but I don't deem it so if the player never touches it again. He obviously doesn't attempt to touch the ball again, so I'm going with a pass.
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You're right (except there's no G in my interwebs name). It could be a dribble, but I don't deem it so if the player never touches it again. He obviously doesn't attempt to touch the ball again, so I'm going with a pass.
Cool, I get your point.

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Rehashing an old argument: Nothing in the definition of a dribble requires a second touch by the player in control. On the release, it is either a pass, a try, a fumble or a dribble. In the OP, the release seems intentional, so no fumble. I can't imagine calling it a try. A pass, by definition is "to another player." No other player is available here, so that leaves a dribble, which, by definition, occurs when the ball hits the floor. Violation.
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Rehashing an old argument: Nothing in the definition of a dribble requires a second touch by the player in control. On the release, it is either a pass, a try, a fumble or a dribble. In the OP, the release seems intentional, so no fumble. I can't imagine calling it a try. A pass, by definition is "to another player." No other player is available here, so that leaves a dribble, which, by definition, occurs when the ball hits the floor. Violation.
And how is a dribble defined?
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It looks like a travel to me.

BTW, I T'd up the La Lumiere coach in a tournament where he was coaching another team.

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Old Fri Mar 30, 2012, 11:32pm
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The official who made this call is Bill Dixon.
He is the President for IAABO Bd 12.
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He's been around for a long time in that area.
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I couldn't get past the horrible positioning of the crew on this play.
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I couldn't get past the horrible positioning of the crew on this play.
You didn't like the two-trail look?
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You didn't like the two-trail look?
Actually more like Lead and Center strong-side, Trail near the division line weak-side. I don't know what was going on.
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