Needed college basketball rule changes.

[tmagan]

If I had to add a couple more to the list, it would be this:

• Using the shot clock for the ten second backcourt count which is more accurate than an officials count.
• Having five seconds to shoot a free throw instead of ten. There is no way a player should need ten seconds to do that when you only have five to throw the ball in from out of bounds. In fact, during an NIT game last week at the University of Washington, the free throw shooter was taking so long, I saw Dave Hall looking up at the ceiling.
• Not allowing teammates to congratulate the free throw shooter for a made free throw. It needlessly delays the game. In fact, I read the NBA wanted to do something about it at their level and the Players Association rejected the change.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tmagan

If I had to add a couple more to the list, it would be this:

• Using the shot clock for the ten second backcourt count which is more accurate than an officials count.

Well the problem with that is the clock has nothing to do with the start of the 10 second backcourt count, so you would have to change a couple of rules to accomplish that. And what if the defense touched the ball first, do you want to penalize the offense when they do not have control? Because that is the other ramification for that rule you suggest to be changed.

Originally Posted by tmagan

• Having five seconds to shoot a free throw instead of ten. There is no way a player should need ten seconds to do that when you only have five to throw the ball in from out of bounds. In fact, during an NIT game last week at the University of Washington, the free throw shooter was taking so long, I saw Dave Hall looking up at the ceiling.
• Not allowing teammates to congratulate the free throw shooter for a made free throw. It needlessly delays the game. In fact, I read the NBA wanted to do something about it at their level and the Players Association rejected the change.

These last two goes into the "Who cares" category. Not sure I have ever had a problem with the time it takes to shoot a FT and certainly do not care as the ball goes in the hole and often a sub is being made would I care about someone congratulating someone.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well the problem with that is the clock has nothing to do with the start of the 10 second backcourt count, so you would have to change a couple of rules to accomplish that. And what if the defense touched the ball first, do you want to penalize the defense when they do not have control? Because that is the other ramification for that rule you suggest to be changed.

I agree that some rules and definitions would have to be changed, but this isn't penalizing the defense, but rather would award the defense by allowing more of the 10 second count to expire. Same with having a hard count for the backcourt count.

Would the offense be hurt by the rule change? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them because they're in control of the ball while they're throwing the ball in (speaking literally...not the rule book definition of team control), and have control of where the ball goes.

As far as the five second deal, I wonder if FIBA officials enforce that strictly or are lax like those under NF/NCAA/NBA rule sets are...I've never viewed this as an issue...either with players slapping hands after free throws.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I agree that some rules and definitions would have to be changed, but this isn't penalizing the defense, but rather would award the defense by allowing more of the 10 second count to expire. Same with having a hard count for the backcourt count.

Would the offense be hurt by the rule change? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them because they're in control of the ball while they're throwing the ball in (speaking literally...not the rule book definition of team control), and have control of where the ball goes.

As far as the five second deal, I wonder if FIBA officials enforce that strictly or are lax like those under NF/NCAA/NBA rule sets are...I've never viewed this as an issue...either with players slapping hands after free throws.

I mistyped, I meant the offense.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tmagan

If I had to add a couple more to the list, it would be this:

• Using the shot clock for the ten second backcourt count which is more accurate than an officials count....

What if the throw-in is tipped by the defense and the offense doesn't gain player control for 2 more seconds?

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What if the throw-in is tipped by the defense and the offense doesn't gain player control for 2 more seconds?

Well obviously, you would have to change when the backcourt count starts

[katie118]

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too). A foul is supposed to penalize a team and should not be used to a team's advantage. This will make it harder - but not impossible - for teams to come back by intentionally fouling their opponent and also eliminates the intentional foul late in the game committed by a team up by three - essentially guaranteeing a win for a team just because they intentionally broke the rules.

(note that this would not have had an effect on the KU-OSU game because Kansas had only committed enough fouls to put Ohio State in the single bonus, but that is kind of what reminded me of this)

Also, eliminate one media timeout per half (have them at the first stop under 15:00, 10:00, and 5:00) even if they added an extra commercial to each break

Eliminate the 5-second "closely guarded" violation or limit it to held ball situations only. Its always baffled me that a team "can be rewarded with possession for "actively playing defense" even when in many cases they never even touch the ball

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by katie118

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too).

What if a team is only in the 1-and-1. Does it become 1-and-1-and-1?

Originally Posted by katie118

Eliminate the 5-second "closely guarded" violation or limit it to held ball situations only.

See NCAA-W rules.

[katie118]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

What if a team is only in the 1-and-1. Does it become 1-and-1-and-1?

I still say use 1-and-1 like it is now. as to not punish a team that hasn't committed 10 fouls yet

Originally Posted by brainbrian

See NCAA-W rules.

Thanks I never knew that. I would like to see them implement the NCAA-W rule for 5-seconds closely guarded in the men's game, but still in the frontcourt only

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by katie118

Thanks I never knew that. I would like to see them implement the NCAA-W rule for 5-seconds closely guarded in the men's game, but still in the frontcourt only

No way, all you would get is dribbling around. The defense should be credited for making the offense move or do something.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

Does it become 1-and-1-and-1?

Anybody remember the NBA three to make two rule?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Anybody remember the NBA three to make two rule?

I do, .

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by katie118

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too). A foul is supposed to penalize a team and should not be used to a team's advantage. This will make it harder - but not impossible - for teams to come back by intentionally fouling their opponent and also eliminates the intentional foul late in the game committed by a team up by three - essentially guaranteeing a win for a team just because they intentionally broke the rules. in many cases they never even touch the ball

A solution in search of a problem.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A solution in search of a problem.

You make FT this is not much of an advantage.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You make FT this is not much of an advantage.

Peace

Exactly, and I've rarely seen this tactic last more than two or three fouls.