Charles Barkley...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by lpneck

To be fair to Kenny Smith, I believe his point was that if you see a player lined up on the arc, looking like he's going to go get the rebound come hell or high water, you can preventatively say "make sure it hits the rim." I have done this before.

I don't think he meant warn rather than penalize after the act.

We now return to the extremely well-deserved bashing of Sir Charles.

Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not the impression I got when I heard it. I wish APG had access to more video...

While I understand sometimes saying something to a player, at that level they better know a basic rule like this on their own. Or, it's on their coaching staff for not properly preparing them. But if the player does it that obviously, it should be called. Or, the officials will not advance to the next round.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not the impression I got when I heard it. I wish APG had access to more video...

While I understand sometimes saying something to a player, at that level they better know a basic rule like this on their own. Or, it's on their coaching staff for not properly preparing them. But if the player does it that obviously, it should be called. Or, the officials will not advance to the next round.

I have no problem saying something to a player - I do it in H.S. and college - to keep them from going inside the three-point arc too early if they're not on the lane. It's no different than talking kids out of the lane for three seconds and a number of my assignors over the years have encouraged it.

That being said, if the kid has a brain lock and goes in - especially after I tell them "remember, let it hit" - that's on them.

And yes, I know it doesn't have to hit anything for them to go inside the three-point arc but if they're waiting for the ball to hit something and it doesn't they're not at a disadvantage since that's a violation on the shooter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

And yes, I know it doesn't have to hit anything for them to go inside....

Now, I don't do college, so I might be off. But under what scenario can they go within the arc without the ball hitting anything?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now, I don't do college, so I might be off. But under what scenario can they go within the arc without the ball hitting anything?

It's in both codes.

NFHS 9-1-4 (The restrictions in 9-1-3b through g apply until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the free throw ends)

and

NCAA 9-1-2g (Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain behind the free throw line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line until the ball strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw ends).

Part of the definition of when the free throw ends includes...

NFHS 4-20-3 (...when it is certain the try will not be successful, when the try touches the floor or any player...)

and

NCAA 4-30-3b (...when it is certain the try will not be successful) and 4-30-3c (when the try touches the floor or any player)

Essentially, if a shooter throws up an airball the free throw is over and everyone's restrictions are removed. That's why I said in my earlier post the non-shooting team wouldn't be put at a disadvantage by saying "let it hit" since if it doesn't it means the thrower violated.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It's in both codes.



Part of the definition of when the free throw ends includes...



Essentially, if a shooter throws up an airball the free throw is over and everyone's restrictions are removed. That's why I said in my earlier post the non-shooting team wouldn't be put at a disadvantage by saying "let it hit" since if it doesn't it means the thrower violated.

Gotcha. I thought that's what you were talking about; a situation where there's no rebound.

Now, what do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Gotcha. I thought that's what you were talking about; a situation where there's no rebound.

Now, what do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?

That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.

Figured you knew, the discussion just made me think of it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.

If it's a little bit before the release, then it could be disconcertion.

[Zoochy]

That would be a double violation. I assume the same for NCAA.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

That would be a double violation. I assume the same for NCAA.

Yes. In both codes.