End Of Game: NC State v. North Carolina

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Ignoring the commentary, what differences do you see (if any) between the calls in question on both ends of the floor?

I'll comment (w/o having read other responses). The first PC on NCSU was passed on by the Lead and called by the Trail who was straight-lined. And Kendall Marshall's play was also passed on by the Lead. So I say the Trail had no business putting a whistle on the NCSU PC foul.

On the 2 post plays: the NCSU post player put his shoulder into the defender. Zeller did absolutely nothing on his post play, the defender just fell down.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Head and shoulders is a rule of thumb. There's no way I'm punishing a defender with position just because the dribbler turned himself into a pretzel.

Actually snaqs, check out 10-6-8. Not a rule of thumb. just a rule.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Actually snaqs, check out 10-6-8. Not a rule of thumb. just a rule.

And a case of you twisting it (like a pretzel) to meet a scenario where it doesn't apply, IMO.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And a case of you twisting it (like a pretzel) to meet a scenario where it doesn't apply, IMO.

Didn't say it was for this scenario. I changed my stance after watching it again, A1 lowered his shoulder. It is a PC. Just a friendly reminder that it is a rule and not a rule of thumb. I don't want others to be confused.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Didn't say it was for this scenario. I changed my stance after watching it again, A1 lowered his shoulder. It is a PC. Just a friendly reminder that it is a rule and not a rule of thumb. I don't want others to be confused.

Ok, so it's a rule of thumb written into the rules. It states that fthe "greater responsibility" is with the defender, not the sole responsibility. It doesn't even just say "the defender is responsible for contact." It's a measuring stick.

And again, just because a dribbler/shooter is able to twist his body in a way that gets his head and shoulders past the stationary defender before his legs knock the defender to the floor does not mean I'm going to call the defender for a foul.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ok, so it's a rule of thumb written into the rules. It states that fthe "greater responsibility" is with the defender, not the sole responsibility. It doesn't even just say "the defender is responsible for contact." It's a measuring stick.

And again, just because a dribbler/shooter is able to twist his body in a way that gets his head and shoulders past the stationary defender before his legs knock the defender to the floor does not mean I'm going to call the defender for a foul.

I agree with you snaqs 100%. I think I get your interpretation of the rules and agree more with you than anyone else on here.