Travel much?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I try not to be offensive,

Try harder.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't call names, I don't use vulgar language, I try not to be offensive, and I'm polite to almost everybody on the Forum.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Try harder.

Give me one example, just one example, where I have disagreed with someone and posted something that was offensive? Where I have been purposely nasty to anybody? Where have I used vulgar language? Where have I called someone stupid, or an idiot, or any other name? Where have I been impolite to anyone? Give me an example where I have not been polite, or where I've been impatient. On the many, many occasions when I have been wrong, name me a time when I did not admit that I was wrong, and thank someone for straightening me out. When have I shown disrespect for anyone on this Forum?

You're move.

Still waiting for some ten second, and three second, interpretations.

Still waitng for someone to cite anything that states that only fouls, and nothing other than fouls, fall under the advantage/disadvantage principle.

Still waitng for someone to cite anything that states that violations, specifically, do not fall under the advantage/disadvantage principle.

Still waiting for someone to prove that the The "Intent" statement is not an open ended statement.

Step right up. Don't be bashful. I don't bite.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Give me one example...

Billy, I agree with you to an extent. Anyone who says they haven't overlooked a travel, 10-second B/C or free throw violation, or palming is being less than forthright.

However, I believe those violations being overlooked have more to do with game situations, as opposed to advantage/disadvantage. The thought process of determining whether or not certain contact is a foul has advantage/disadvantage built into the equation.

The only violation I see that gets advantage/disadvantage treatment is 3-seconds, but even then there comes a point where it can't be over-looked.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I agree with you to an extent. The only violation I see that gets advantage/disadvantage treatment is 3-seconds, but even then there comes a point where it can't be over-looked.

A good point to agree on. Thanks for your rational response.

I got one thing out of participating in this thread. Up until today I wasn't able to respond to those who said that advantage/disadvantage only applies to fouls. I found the equipment citation earlier in the thread, so at least that put one myth to rest. I wasn't able to convince others that some violations may be interpreted according to advantage/disadvantage, but I'm having trouble convincing myself.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wasn't able to convince others that some violations may be interpreted according to advantage/disadvantage, but I'm having trouble convincing myself.

Anything may be interpreted any number of ways, but, specifically, advantage/disadvantage with regard to violations has no rules backing.

With regard to your repeated reference to intent and purpose of the rules, the main thing I get from that is that a team/player is not allowed to commit a violation which gives his team a benefit which was not intended by that rule.

Best example was the player intentionally trying to miss a free throw and the defense commits violations trying to force a make.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

With regard to your repeated reference to intent and purpose of the rules, the main thing I get from that is that a team/player is not allowed to commit a violation which gives his team a benefit which was not intended by that rule. Best example was the player intentionally trying to miss a free throw and the defense commits violations trying to force a make.

Can "gives his team a benefit" be, in any way, similar (thought not exactly the same) as gives his team an advantage?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Can "gives his team a benefit" be, in any way, similar (thought not exactly the same) as gives his team an advantage?

Yes, what's your point?

[JetMetFan]

I just wanted to give a visual example as to why traveling isn't something we can/should officiate with advantage/disadvantage in mind.

This is a clip from Friday's N.C. State/UVA game in the ACC Tournament. It's a pretty benign play which no one will remember but it struck a nerve.


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UVA #23 receives a pass and lands on his right foot, making it his pivot foot. Then he resets himself due to pressure from NCSU #0 and makes his left foot the pivot without dribbling the ball. Then he starts his drive...and NCSU #0 is called for a block. By not calling that travel, NCSU #0 was not only put at a disadvantage, he ended up one foul closer to a DQ.

If there was heavy pressure on UVA #23 I'd more than understand if the travel was missed since I know I'm not the only one who was ever told "if there's a choice between missing a foul or a violation, miss the foul." But both the L and the T were watching the play. If they both missed it that's life but if either of them thought that no one gained an advantage in that situation I'd have to disagree.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Give me one example, just one example, where I have disagreed with someone and posted something that was offensive?

Since you asked.

Offensive is probably too strong a word, but some of the off topic catch phrases, pictures, and other miscellaneous that you post make us clench our collective teeth.

jmo

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of the off topic catch phrases, pictures, and other miscellaneous that you post make us clench our collective teeth.

Some? Why are you being so kind to me? Am I dying, and nobody told me?