T during a time-out

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

It would have avoided the whole thing.

Sure it would have.

So would having a 15 year old player who knows what she is doing.

So would having a Coach who tells his/her players what to do.

Probably having a partner who shows up would have helped too because then jtheump wouldn't have to worry about taking care of everything himself.

But what the heck...let's not worry about any of that. Let's just jump on jtheump because...well, just because we can.

[BayStateRef]

Many people come to these forums for all kinds of reasons. I don't see the comment as "jumping on" the poster. It provides information, guidance, rules knowledge, etc. to everyone else who reads this forum. I thought this was a good point...and I found it interesting how other officials handle this.

Some feel this is a courtesy, while some say it is both a rule and a mechanic. These are important things for all officials to know. And it contributes to the value of the forum for everyone.

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Sure it would have.

So would having a 15 year old player who knows what she is doing.

So would having a Coach who tells his/her players what to do.

Probably having a partner who shows up would have helped too because then jtheump wouldn't have to worry about taking care of everything himself.

But what the heck...let's not worry about any of that. Let's just jump on jtheump because...well, just because we can.

I don't think he was out of line in suggesting he should have informed whether it was a "spot" or she had the ability to move along the end line. The answer was already given to the OP's question...whether the timeout was considered an intermission. And it was sound advice given, IMO, to inform whether the throw-in is a "spot" throw-in or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

If you had made the effort to tell her earlier in the game that she could run after a made basket, why in the world would you not tell her she had to stay on the spot with 15 seconds left in a 1 point game?

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Out of all the stuff in his post, this is what you zero in on??? Nice...

Originally Posted by Smitty

It would have avoided the whole thing.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'll do it on every throw-in just to keep in the habit.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't think he was out of line in suggesting he should have informed whether it was a "spot" or she had the ability to move along the end line. The answer was already given to the OP's question...whether the timeout was considered an intermission. And it was sound advice given, IMO, to inform whether the throw-in is a "spot" throw-in or not.

I do this every game, every throw in both visually and verbally so that not only the player has been told, but the player also knows and if they look at the video they can see what I have told them. It takes away the confusion and backs up what they were told. I think this suggestion is spot on and solid advice. We have to stop being so sensitive when things are suggested.

Peace

[jTheUmp]

Thanks for the responses and the casebook reference... turns out I was looking at the wrong sections of the casebook (Rule 10 instead of Rule 4).

RE: Telling the player that she needed to stay on the spot... believe me, that thought occurred to me immediately after the smoke cleared. And I'm going to start doing that from now on.

Other context:
Before the game, the Team A head coach offered to grab a whistle and act as the second official. "Coach, I appreciate the offer, but I can't let you do that for several reasons."

I found out after the game that the Team A head coach is A15's father.

Should've been an interesting ride home, to say the least. I can only hope it was a productive "there are consequences to unsporting behavior" type conversation rather than an "officials suck" conversation.

This was the 5th of 6 games I worked solo that day. The 6th game was worse in some respects... 1 unsporting player T, 1 unsporting coach T, and a "Worst Official in the World" award handed out after the game by a fan standing at the exit of the gym.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't think he was out of line in suggesting he should have informed whether it was a "spot" or she had the ability to move along the end line. The answer was already given to the OP's question...whether the timeout was considered an intermission. And it was sound advice given, IMO, to inform whether the throw-in is a "spot" throw-in or not.

Go back and read his post...he didn't say "This unfortunate situation could perhaps have been avoided if you had..." He said "Why in the world would you not..."

Big difference, don't you think?

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Go back and read his post...he didn't say "This unfortunate situation could perhaps have been avoided if you had..." He said "Why in the world would you not..."

Big difference, don't you think?

It perhaps could have been worded a little nicer, but I don't think there was any ill intent or malice meant by the post.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It perhaps could have been worded a little nicer, but I don't think there was any ill intent or malice meant by the post.

Hmmm...ok. Maybe I misread intent. Sure seemed to me like it was dumping on someone who was asking for constructive feedback.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Go back and read his post...he didn't say "This unfortunate situation could perhaps have been avoided if you had..." He said "Why in the world would you not..."

Big difference, don't you think?

I think you are overracting a little. It is hard in this format to type tone or attitude accurately. I would have asked the same question in a camp and you would have thought I asked in the nicest way. I think we sometimes want to find conflict when there is none.

Peace

[ballgame99]

man I hope they gave you your partner's paycheck too. 6 games solo doesn't sound fun at all.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'll do it on every throw-in just to keep in the habit.

Endline, absolutely. Sideline? I'll point, of course, but I don't see the point of yelling "designated" there. I've never seen anyone run a sideline.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

man I hope they gave you your partner's paycheck too. 6 games solo doesn't sound fun at all.

I can assure you I wouldn't think twice about any tea that got served while I was working solo.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Endline, absolutely. Sideline? I'll point, of course, but I don't see the point of yelling "designated" there. I've never seen anyone run a sideline.

I never use the word designated. Maybe I should, but all I say is "this is your spot."

[MD Longhorn]

Hey folks ... this is the internet. You can't read tone from someone else's post. I don't care how smart your think you are or how good an official you are... you just can't. How smart is it to read a post, make a conscious decision to take that post in the most negative way possible, and then rip the poster for being negative... it was YOU that brought in the negativity. If there are multiple ways to read someone's "tone" - choose the nicest one.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Endline, absolutely. Sideline? I'll point, of course, but I don't see the point of yelling "designated" there. I've never seen anyone run a sideline.

Had a girl under pressure (ball, ball, ball!!!) take off down the sideline on me a few seasons ago

After the game I looked up the administration process & when it used the word "shall" instead of "may" I realized that I made the mistake & have been designating every spot from that day forward.
BTW, you dont have to yell it.