Time Out ?

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I tried to provide a hint...but it was missed.

The rules on when a timeout can be taken don't say anything about the clock starting for the extra period. The next timeout can be called once the ball is live for the extra period. That might occur before the the clock starts for the extra period.

There are several, albeit unlikely, ways you could have a live ball before the clock starts....

• a common foul on the jump before the ball is touched (but after the ball is tossed)
• a jump ball violation before the ball is touched
• a technical foul after the 4th quarter has ended in a tie where you start the OT with FTs for the T.

All of these, create an opportunity for a timeout that is no longer in the window restricted by the successive timeout rule but is before the clock starts again.

Ahhh, I'm still new to the forum and can't be held responsible for knowing everyone's sneaky ways of bringing up further ideas to the rule. Plus it was late so I didn't have my thinking cap on.

With that said, yes those are instances that would make a second TO non successive. Not something I have previously thought, but if it happened I hope I would recognize it on the floor. Even though this is probably a less then once in a career situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

Ahhh, I'm still new to the forum and can't be held responsible for knowing everyone's sneaky ways of bringing up further ideas to the rule. Plus it was late so I didn't have my thinking cap on.

With that said, yes those are instances that would make a second TO non successive. Not something I have previously thought, but if it happened I hope I would recognize it on the floor. Even though this is probably a less then once in a career situation.

The T is only one that that has some reasonable chance of happening.....but the underlying point, one that may be more relevant at other times than in this particular scenario, is that a quarter/OT starts when the ball becomes live, not when the clock starts.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The T is only one that that has some reasonable chance of happening.....but the underlying point, one that may be more relevant at other times than in this particular scenario, is that a quarter/OT starts when the ball becomes live, not when the clock starts.

Is NCAA different?

NFHS 4-43-2: A succesive time-out is one which is granted to either team before the clock has started following the previous time-out.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is NCAA different?

NFHS 4-43-2: A succesive time-out is one which is granted to either team before the clock has started following the previous time-out.

You are rigt, and I thought this too. I'm not sure why I let Camron convince me otherwise. It states that the clock most run in the next OT period in the case book plays also, not live ball.

[just another ref]

I actually had thought the same as Camron, but I had just been questioned about it by a friend of mine who is a coach. The official had refused to grant her succesive timeout during overtime, saying it was not allowed. She told him she was not familiar with that rule. He explained that this could not be found in the rule book, but it was a case play.

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