Time Out ?

[paulsonj72]

I am reading the Seth Davis book about the 1979 Michigan St/Indiana St NCAA title game and in the book he goes into detail about the 2 teams seasons. Anyway in the Michigan St loss to Michigan that year Michigan made a free throw with no time left on the clock and before the free throws Jud Heathcote tried to call a time out but was told he could not do so because the clock showed 0:00. Was that a correct reading of the rule at that time? And what is the rule in that instance now?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by paulsonj72

I am reading the Seth Davis book about the 1979 Michigan St/Indiana St NCAA title game and in the book he goes into detail about the 2 teams seasons. Anyway in the Michigan St loss to Michigan that year Michigan made a free throw with no ti e left on the clock and before the free throws NJud Heathcote tried to call a time out but was told he could not do so because the clock showed 0:00. Was that a correct reading of the rule at that time? And what is the rule in that instance now?

I'm assuming the situation described in the book was FTs to determine the outcome of the game? If that's the case, both NFHS and NCAA would allow the time out request now (if the team still had any remaining at the end of regulation).

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I'm assuming the situation described in the book was FTs to determine the outcome of the game? If that's the case, both NFHS and NCAA would allow the time out request now (if the team still had any remaining at the end of regulation).

However either team cannot request successive timeouts at the end of the 4th quarter or OT. When I'm back from this swim meet I'll get the rule.

[Rob1968]

Take a look at 4-43-2 and 5-12-3.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

However either team cannot request successive timeouts at the end of the 4th quarter or OT. When I'm back from this swim meet I'll get the rule.

For NFHS, it's more than that. Once one of the teams has used a time-out, neither that same team nor the opposing team may be granted another time-out until the clock runs.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

However either team cannot request successive timeouts at the end of the 4th quarter or OT. When I'm back from this swim meet I'll get the rule.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For NFHS, it's more than that. Once one of the teams has used a time-out, neither that same team nor the opposing team may be granted another time-out until the clock runs.

Now, is that really true? Does the clock have to run before than can get another timeout?

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For NFHS, it's more than that. Once one of the teams has used a time-out, neither that same team nor the opposing team may be granted another time-out until the clock runs.

Right, neither team may be granted a time out

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Now, is that really true? Does the clock have to run before than can get another timeout?

Only after the end of the forth quarter or an OT period successive timeouts cannot be granted.
5-11-7: Successive time-outs, as in 4-43-2, shall not be granted after the expiration of playing time for the forth quarter or any extra period. In all other instances, they shall be administered in order which they were requested.

The case plays for 5-11-7 clear the idea of one team calling a time-out after the other since 4-43-2 does not clearly define it.

[berserkBBK]

I'm sorry my replies are for NFHS.
NCAA is 5-13-b

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

Only after the end of the forth quarter or an OT period successive timeouts cannot be granted.
5-11-7: Successive time-outs, as in 4-43-2, shall not be granted after the expiration of playing time for the forth quarter or any extra period. In all other instances, they shall be administered in order which they were requested.

The case plays for 5-11-7 clear the idea of one team calling a time-out after the other since 4-43-2 does not clearly define it.

My question is about when they may actually call another timeout after the first one has been called. It is it really only possible after the clock has subsequently started, or is it only after the ball has become live to start the (next) OT period? Those two events may not be at the same time.

And FYI, it is not related to the "end of the forth quarter or an OT"....but after time has expired in such a situation but the quarter has not yet ended due to pending FTs.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

However either team cannot request successive timeouts at the end of the 4th quarter or OT. When I'm back from this swim meet I'll get the rule.

I purposely didn't go into the rest of the possible scenarios since I figured all the posts which followed about successive TOs and calling a TO heading into OT were going to come anyway

[paulsonj72]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I'm assuming the situation described in the book was FTs to determine the outcome of the game? If that's the case, both NFHS and NCAA would allow the time out request now (if the team still had any remaining at the end of regulation).

Yep. Michigan at the line to win. Didn't say if they were down 1 or tied.