State Tourney

[Adam]

How far onto the court?

[JRutledge]

I do not know why we act like officials at that level are perfect. They make mistakes too guys.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know why we act like officials at that level are perfect. They make mistakes too guys.

Peace

Some of these mistakes they *shouldn't* make, though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Some of these mistakes they *shouldn't* make, though.

True, but they are human. And there is a lot of pressure at those games and at the high school level there is not a lot of preparation for those events. Mistakes are going to happen. The key is to limit them.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

True, but they are human. And there is a lot of pressure at those games and at the high school level there is not a lot of preparation for those events. Mistakes are going to happen. The key is to limit them.

Peace

My point on the intentional foul is that it requires *three* officials to screw that up. I'm not talking judgment, here.

I know that if I'm working the game, I'm coming in and making sure this is done right. I've called 2 INT fouls on made baskets in the last 5 years (one of the players is now playing at Tennessee and had a heckuva game yesterday against Vandy) and while the opposing coach was left scratching his head, I know I got the call correct.

3 officials getting this wrong is really inexcusable.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

3 officials getting this wrong is really inexcusable.

Totally agree. But the pressure of the situation makes a lot of people less effective. That mistake is certainly bigger than other mistakes, but just saying they will and are going to happen no matter how they are picked to work those games.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

My point on the intentional foul is that it requires *three* officials to screw that up. I'm not talking judgment, here.

I know that if I'm working the game, I'm coming in and making sure this is done right. I've called 2 INT fouls on made baskets in the last 5 years (one of the players is now playing at Tennessee and had a heckuva game yesterday against Vandy) and while the opposing coach was left scratching his head, I know I got the call correct.

3 officials getting this wrong is really inexcusable.

Had the same situation on a game Saturday, kid scores on a fastbreak & gets shoved in the back. I call the INT foul from C & tell the L (R) what we have... the T comes in & says we should be shooting 1 because the basket went

As JRut stated the pressure is increased this time of year & I agree. But pressure bursts pipes, rise to the occasion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Had the same situation on a game Saturday, kid scores on a fastbreak & gets shoved in the back. I call the INT foul from C & tell the L (R) what we have... the T comes in & says we should be shooting 1 because the basket went

As JRut stated the pressure is increased this time of year & I agree. But pressure bursts pipes, rise to the occasion.

To me, there are just some mistakes you shouldn't be making at this time of the year. And not properly giving 2 free throws on an Intentional Foul is definitely one of them. There is just no way that all 3 members of a post-season crew can have the same brain fart.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How far onto the court?

I had to look at it again. (I love the DVR.) It was a close-up shot, so it was hard to judge, but I'd say 5-10 feet.

Originally Posted by wfd21

Hey Bainsey... I saw this but it didn't dawn on me.

There's another one from that game just dawned on me, too. Remember this?

Third quarter, 6:31 left, A-40 commits a common foul near B's endline, but it's reported as A-10, his fourth foul. B doesn't score on the possession.

As A brings the ball back the other way, A-10 releases a pass near the division line, then, at 6:03, crashes into B-4 for a team control foul. That makes five fouls for A-10, who takes a seat without incident.

Coach A insists the previous foul was on A-40, and after a minute of conferring, the crew credits the foul correctly, thereby making A-10 eligible again. It was an unusual sequence, but in the end, the right call was made.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know why we act like officials at that level are perfect.

You're right, JRut, perfection is unattainable. However, in the eyes of us lesser respected officials, we see the tournament and championship-game officials as those we need to emulate. We begin to believe that we need to do exactly what they do to achieve the respect they've earned.

In truth, we shouldn't be looking solely at the mistakes, but they're the things that come most easily to mind. Ultimately, we should probably break down the entire body of work that pinpoints their effectiveness, in contrast with the rest of ours. In other words, ask what separates the championship official from the pack.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I had to look at it again. (I love the DVR.) It was a close-up shot, so it was hard to judge, but I'd say 5-10 feet.


There's another one from that game just dawned on me, too. Remember this?

Third quarter, 6:31 left, A-40 commits a common foul near B's endline, but it's reported as A-10, his fourth foul. B doesn't score on the possession.

As A brings the ball back the other way, A-10 releases a pass near the division line, then, at 6:03, crashes into B-4 for a team control foul. That makes five fouls for A-10, who takes a seat without incident.

Coach A insists the previous foul was on A-40, and after a minute of conferring, the crew credits the foul correctly, thereby making A-10 eligible again. It was an unusual sequence, but in the end, the right call was made.


You're right, JRut, perfection is unattainable. However, in the eyes of us lesser respected officials, we see the tournament and championship-game officials as those we need to emulate. We begin to believe that we need to do exactly what they do to achieve the respect they've earned.

In truth, we shouldn't be looking solely at the mistakes, but they're the things that come most easily to mind. Ultimately, we should probably break down the entire body of work that pinpoints their effectiveness, in contrast with the rest of ours. In other words, ask what separates the championship official from the pack.

We're not infallible but there are some things we shouldn't mess up, pressure or not. As Rich pointed out, it took three people to kick the one-shot IF situation.