State Tourney

[bainsey]

State title game last night. Roughly two minutes left, A-33 (whose team has a healthy lead) gets a steal, dunks the ball, and mouths off to B-32. New trail is right there for the T.

A-45 (who had his warm-up shirt on, don't know actual number) comes off the bench to do a celebratory body bump with A-33. I immediately look to see if the crew does anything about it. They don't. Can't say that I blame them (and my son's team is the losing team on this night).

[wfd21]

Hey Bainsey, Your spot on. I saw this but it didn't dawn on me. This could have been another "T". But I don't know if I would have had the "NADS" to issue it. Was a good game though.

[Adam]

How far onto the court?

[JRutledge]

I do not know why we act like officials at that level are perfect. They make mistakes too guys.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know why we act like officials at that level are perfect. They make mistakes too guys.

Peace

Some of these mistakes they *shouldn't* make, though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Some of these mistakes they *shouldn't* make, though.

True, but they are human. And there is a lot of pressure at those games and at the high school level there is not a lot of preparation for those events. Mistakes are going to happen. The key is to limit them.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

True, but they are human. And there is a lot of pressure at those games and at the high school level there is not a lot of preparation for those events. Mistakes are going to happen. The key is to limit them.

Peace

My point on the intentional foul is that it requires *three* officials to screw that up. I'm not talking judgment, here.

I know that if I'm working the game, I'm coming in and making sure this is done right. I've called 2 INT fouls on made baskets in the last 5 years (one of the players is now playing at Tennessee and had a heckuva game yesterday against Vandy) and while the opposing coach was left scratching his head, I know I got the call correct.

3 officials getting this wrong is really inexcusable.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How far onto the court?

I had to look at it again. (I love the DVR.) It was a close-up shot, so it was hard to judge, but I'd say 5-10 feet.

Originally Posted by wfd21

Hey Bainsey... I saw this but it didn't dawn on me.

There's another one from that game just dawned on me, too. Remember this?

Third quarter, 6:31 left, A-40 commits a common foul near B's endline, but it's reported as A-10, his fourth foul. B doesn't score on the possession.

As A brings the ball back the other way, A-10 releases a pass near the division line, then, at 6:03, crashes into B-4 for a team control foul. That makes five fouls for A-10, who takes a seat without incident.

Coach A insists the previous foul was on A-40, and after a minute of conferring, the crew credits the foul correctly, thereby making A-10 eligible again. It was an unusual sequence, but in the end, the right call was made.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know why we act like officials at that level are perfect.

You're right, JRut, perfection is unattainable. However, in the eyes of us lesser respected officials, we see the tournament and championship-game officials as those we need to emulate. We begin to believe that we need to do exactly what they do to achieve the respect they've earned.

In truth, we shouldn't be looking solely at the mistakes, but they're the things that come most easily to mind. Ultimately, we should probably break down the entire body of work that pinpoints their effectiveness, in contrast with the rest of ours. In other words, ask what separates the championship official from the pack.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I had to look at it again. (I love the DVR.) It was a close-up shot, so it was hard to judge, but I'd say 5-10 feet.


There's another one from that game just dawned on me, too. Remember this?

Third quarter, 6:31 left, A-40 commits a common foul near B's endline, but it's reported as A-10, his fourth foul. B doesn't score on the possession.

As A brings the ball back the other way, A-10 releases a pass near the division line, then, at 6:03, crashes into B-4 for a team control foul. That makes five fouls for A-10, who takes a seat without incident.

Coach A insists the previous foul was on A-40, and after a minute of conferring, the crew credits the foul correctly, thereby making A-10 eligible again. It was an unusual sequence, but in the end, the right call was made.


You're right, JRut, perfection is unattainable. However, in the eyes of us lesser respected officials, we see the tournament and championship-game officials as those we need to emulate. We begin to believe that we need to do exactly what they do to achieve the respect they've earned.

In truth, we shouldn't be looking solely at the mistakes, but they're the things that come most easily to mind. Ultimately, we should probably break down the entire body of work that pinpoints their effectiveness, in contrast with the rest of ours. In other words, ask what separates the championship official from the pack.

We're not infallible but there are some things we shouldn't mess up, pressure or not. As Rich pointed out, it took three people to kick the one-shot IF situation.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by bainsey

State title game last night. Roughly two minutes left, A-33 (whose team has a healthy lead) gets a steal, dunks the ball, and mouths off to B-32. New trail is right there for the T.

A-45 (who had his warm-up shirt on, don't know actual number) comes off the bench to do a celebratory body bump with A-33. I immediately look to see if the crew does anything about it. They don't. Can't say that I blame them (and my son's team is the losing team on this night).

By rule would we assess the TF to A-45 or A-33?
Thinking about it. A-45 for leaving the bench area? A-33 is equally at fault for the bump. I haven't really thought of this situation.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

By rule would we assess the TF to A-45 or A-33?
Thinking about it. A-45 for leaving the bench area?

A-45, as he came off the bench without permission.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by bainsey

A-45, as he came off the bench without permission.

Thank you. After thinking about it, I thought this it what it would be.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

By rule would we assess the TF to A-45 or A-33?
Thinking about it. A-45 for leaving the bench area? A-33 is equally at fault for the bump. I haven't really thought of this situation.

Having just called one on 33, I'm giving the second one to 45 in this case.

[spaulds]

Originally Posted by bainsey

State title game last night. Roughly two minutes left, A-33 (whose team has a healthy lead) gets a steal, dunks the ball, and mouths off to B-32. New trail is right there for the T.

A-45 (who had his warm-up shirt on, don't know actual number) comes off the bench to do a celebratory body bump with A-33. I immediately look to see if the crew does anything about it. They don't. Can't say that I blame them (and my son's team is the losing team on this night).

Originally Posted by wfd21

Hey Bainsey, Your spot on. I saw this but it didn't dawn on me. This could have been another "T". But I don't know if I would have had the "NADS" to issue it. Was a good game though.

I wondered about this too...and about A-33's salute in between getting called for the technical and A45 coming out to chest bump him. I recorded the game and just rewatched this part and it is hard to tell how far on the court A-45 came out, but it looked like they were maybe around 5' from the lane...tough to tell.

On a side note. I just finished my first year officiating. Ive been coming to this forum almost every day to learn from all of you. Thank you all for the info and rules citations in your discussions. Many of the discussions here helped me through the season.