Slow season coming - rule changes?

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It doesn't matter. If we were told to just call it and all officials simply call it, it will go away and there will be no discussion. Officials wouldn't have to agree on what was profane.

That would be inconsistent, and I don't want to say what words are unexceptable at every pre game coaches/captains meeting. One game a kid yells "darn" it after he misses a free throw and doesn't get a T because no one sees it as profane. Next game he says it and gets whacked by the offended official. Or even worse, a partner whacks him the next time down when he gets beat and gives up an easy dunk and says the same thing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

That would be inconsistent, and I don't want to say what words are unexceptable at every pre game coaches/captains meeting. One game a kid yells "darn" it after he misses a free throw and doesn't get a T because no one sees it as profane. Next game he says it and gets whacked by the offended official. Or even worse, a partner whacks him the next time down when he gets beat and gives up an easy dunk and says the same thing.

Not at all....at least no more than anything else we call. Does everyone call handchecking exactly the same way? No. It doesn't have to be an absolutely clear line. The kids will learn to stay away from the boundaries because they will know the risk. If you want to improve character and sportsmanship, you only need to push it in the right direction most of the time, not be complete carbon copies.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

That would be inconsistent, and I don't want to say what words are unexceptable at every pre game coaches/captains meeting. One game a kid yells "darn" it after he misses a free throw and doesn't get a T because no one sees it as profane. Next game he says it and gets whacked by the offended official. Or even worse, a partner whacks him the next time down when he gets beat and gives up an easy dunk and says the same thing.

Not at all....at least no more than anything else we call. Does everyone call handchecking exactly the same way? No. It doesn't have to be an absolutely clear line. The kids will learn to stay away from the boundaries because they will know the risk. If you want to improve character and sportsmanship, you only need to push it in the right directly, not be completely carbon copies.

Usually what you'll have is someone who, themselves, uses profane vocabulary and will refuse to call it because they'd be hypocritical of their own actions in doing so.....“Profanity is a Weak Mind Trying to Express Itself Forcibly”.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not at all....at least no more than anything else we call. Does everyone call handchecking exactly the same way? No. It doesn't have to be an absolutely clear line. The kids will learn to stay away from the boundaries because they will know the risk. If you want to improve character and sportsmanship, you only need to push it in the right directly, not be completely carbon copies.

Usually what you'll have is someone who, themselves, uses profane vocabulary and will refuse to call it because they'd be hypocritical of their own actions in doing so.....“Profanity is a Weak Mind Trying to Express Itself Forcibly”.

I can see that, but I guess I would want a clear line. While you say that the kids would avoid boundaries, I could see it working. I guess I don't see the point. If cursing is said in frustration to themselves I often just say "Watch the language, please" as I walk by. If it is said loud enough, and again only venting to themselves, I will make it known to everyone I am speaking with the player. It never gets worse afterwards. I just wouldn't want these to be a definitive T as it can be taken care of with a quick statement. Now if it was directed at the other team, the crowd, a partner, or myself, I would not hesititate. And even that does not have to be a curse word.

I have worked with a few religious and well educated people that used profanity in the locker room and quietly to me away from players, coaches, and fans. Usually this was used to vent frustration from a coach or a play they may have missed. While I don't use profanity, I am not offended by it unless it is directed at anyone. I smile when a player yells replacement words instead of a curse word. However, people still know what he meant.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I can see that, but I guess I would want a clear line. While you say that the kids would avoid boundaries, I could see it working. I guess I don't see the point. If cursing is said in frustration to themselves I often just say "Watch the language, please" as I walk by. If it is said loud enough, and again only venting to themselves, I will make it known to everyone I am speaking with the player. It never gets worse afterwards. I just wouldn't want these to be a definitive T as it can be taken care of with a quick statement. Now if it was directed at the other team, the crowd, a partner, or myself, I would not hesititate. And even that does not have to be a curse word.

I have worked with a few religious and well educated people that used profanity in the locker room and quietly to me away from players, coaches, and fans. Usually this was used to vent frustration from a coach or a play they may have missed. While I don't use profanity, I am not offended by it unless it is directed at anyone. I smile when a player yells replacement words instead of a curse word. However, people still know what he meant.

Sound like we run it the same way....and as I said before, I'm not the one pushing for or arguing FOR this change. I'm just pointing that the reason that have been present for opposing it are not really valid.

[Drizzle]

My rule changes:

1) Timeouts can only be called by players on the court.

2) Adopt the NCAA timing rule so the clock stops for a made basket with under a minute left in the game.

3) Switch from 8 minute quarters to 16 minute halves.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I can see that, but I guess I would want a clear line. While you say that the kids would avoid boundaries, I could see it working. I guess I don't see the point. If cursing is said in frustration to themselves I often just say "Watch the language, please" as I walk by. If it is said loud enough, and again only venting to themselves, I will make it known to everyone I am speaking with the player. It never gets worse afterwards. I just wouldn't want these to be a definitive T as it can be taken care of with a quick statement. Now if it was directed at the other team, the crowd, a partner, or myself, I would not hesititate. And even that does not have to be a curse word.

I have worked with a few religious and well educated people that used profanity in the locker room and quietly to me away from players, coaches, and fans. Usually this was used to vent frustration from a coach or a play they may have missed. While I don't use profanity, I am not offended by it unless it is directed at anyone. I smile when a player yells replacement words instead of a curse word. However, people still know what he meant.

Usually the way I do it and problems tend to stop. I talk to players all the time about their behavior if they are borderline and they know where I stand.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

I guess this would be for both FED and NCAA. How about eliminating the ability to inbound into the back court on a throw in after the ball has been advanced to the front court?

And/or - eliminating both the 10 second back court count and the five second closely guarded count in games that have a shot clock. Having all those counts seems redundant.

[amusedofficial]

Agree:
--Stop clock after made basket near end of game, two min. sounds about right
--T/O only by players on court

Disagree:
--Halves stead quarters. Keep quarters. Some states do Q to enable jv/v splitting

Wish list:
--Get rid of the three point arc. I heard one writer saying there was talk about abolishing the DH, if that's true they can get rid of this travesty too.

--Get rid of the arrow. Tie 'em up, you deserve an equal shot at possession at the precise spot in the game; jump it up.

--three for two on tenth foul

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Agree:
--Stop clock after made basket near end of game, two min. sounds about right
--T/O only by players on court

Disagree:
--Halves stead quarters. Keep quarters. Some states do Q to enable jv/v splitting

Wish list:
--Get rid of the three point arc. I heard one writer saying there was talk about abolishing the DH, if that's true they can get rid of this travesty too.

--Get rid of the arrow. Tie 'em up, you deserve an equal shot at possession at the precise spot in the game; jump it up.

--three for two on tenth foul

Get rid of the 3-point arc? Really????